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1y ago

cloudfare bad

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Only if you don't know what Cloudlfare does. It protects against all kinds of attacks.
- Yeah this post is nearly upsettingly ignorant.
  Cloudflare is just about the only big internet company out there objectively doing good things for the Internet.
  
  This seems like saying road construction makes driving objectively worse or security guards make a stadium venue objectively worse.
  
  Maybe their point is just privatisation or something.
  For example a dns provider like cloudfare just could artificially make latency costs for servers that don't agree with something cloudfare does bigger, which would result in them being less likely to be displayed in a search result because a search engine would have IP adresses faster from other servers. This obviously depends on if a search engine makes dns requests or just provides hostnames for the end user.
  
  Right now.
  But everybody is also moving into their castle. Many for free.
  They are not allowed to let people do that unless they have an argument that, somehow, this makes money for the owners of Cloudflare. Maybe that's in the form of good publicity. Maybe they're hoping to set up some tollbooths at the castle gate, once enough people are inside and the other options have withered for lack of customers.
- I dont like monopolies, but a world without cloud flare would go down constantly just because a few script kiddies decided to ddos something
- Also made my company I worked for saved ton of money, instead of using other usage-based CDN since we got some ddos for the past year.
  The CF Pages and their video encoding platform also ok and easy to use.
- My negative experiences as an end user take priority over any positive experience told to me by a third party in a usage case that doesn't apply to me.
  
  Most of the time that a site is using Cloudflare you’ve likely not noticed and it has improved your experience.
  
  If cloudflare wasn't a thing your negative experiences as an end user would be worse
  
  Your experience as an end user is only available because cloudflare exists. That's why your end user opinion doesn't matter, because bad actors are constantly trying to ruin the internet and cloudflare is the gatekeeper. As a server owner I need security at the door to keep our illegal activity. Your opinion of "I don't like security at the door" is dually noted and immediately thrown away.
  
  Yes, speed limits are dumb it affect me personally idc how it benefits the rest of us. Great philosophy.

What?? I thought cloudflare is good. Free Ddos protection, etc.
- Single point of failure for the whole internet.
  
  Only because no one does what they do as well as they do it.
  If they had competition, that wouldn't be the case. Sadly, there are very few other good guys out there...
  
  If cloudflare goes down you can just update DNS to not use it …
  
  I wouldn't call clourflare a single point.
- We use their CDN, and they do our load balancing for work and they’re great at it.
- There are benefits and costs. Cloudflare makes it easy to maintain high uptime as a small site sysadmin at the cost of free DDoS protection isn't actually free. Cloudflare turns all users of websites that employ it into the products of surveillance capitalism

O.o Do you understand what Cloudflare actually does?
- Provides a single point of failure for a large portion of the internet that nobody else has any control over?
  
  Using cloudflare is more reliable than using your own stuff which is still an option that nobody chooses anymore because it's better to choose cloudflare or something similar.
  I'm going to go ahead and assume you don't work with internet security in any way, have no experience in web development, and have never attempted to provide web application services to more people than you can count on your fingers, but if you had, cloudflare is mana from heaven.
  
  So no, then.
  
  Oh no, centralising DNS and CDN traffic which are critical for the web and the internet into a single company is a bad idea?! Who knew!?!
  
  While that can indeed be considered an issue, the idea that this somehow makes the internet objectively worse is debatable.

Honestly, I don't know how any end user who doesn't understand IT and wasn't around before services like Cloudflare were available can say this. They objectively don't have the information or experience to make the claim.
- Cloudflare is solving some really big problems, right? Like DDOS?
- I've been using the intermet since 2003 and have seen no difference except when cloudfare breaks.
  
  Yes, the internet is much bigger than it was in 2003, and it needs more complex protective tools. The fact that you haven't noticed cloudflare when it is working is a sign that it is, well, working.
  And the fact that your favorite sites aren't down more often is yet another sign. Downtime due to DDOS attacks alone would be so much greater without cloudflare than downtime due to cloudflare currently is. Your perspective is a pure lack of knowledge and an excess of confirmation bias.
  
  Have you ever self hosted a website? Was that a modern website, or just a bunch of text? Are you experienced with uptime SLAs on multiple services? Have you ever had to deal with a DDOS attack?
  There are lots of things that Cloudflare does that requires experience and knowledge to notice or understand. And it isn't even the biggest single point of failure when it comes to the Internet. When AWS has an outage for instance there is a huge chunk of the Internet that goes down.
  There are problems with the centralization of the Internet. But this happened for a reason, and it has been so long and these services have been so reliable that people don't even realize what it was like before.
  
  You are very difficult to respect.
  
  I've been using the intermet since 2003
  Then you should remember this: https://youtu.be/48rz8udZBmQ?si=81BQVmYGYRhpPCsw

Throwback to when 1.1.1.1 dropped and we all loved couldflare
- Not all of us.
  
  You're trying too hard

Cloudflare is having some weird issues with Discord this morning.
- So it wasn't just me. Good to know.
- I'd claim it's the other way around until proven otherwise. Configuring the edge is not for everyone

Idk, but my homelab thanks it for the free ZTN and workers.

203 upvotes, 202 downvotes. The most controversial lemmy post I've ever seen
- Wait.. so why is it 69/23 for me?
  
  Vote federation can be weird
  
  Defederation probably
  
  Federation is its own magical fuckup. Look at my comments for a recent example.
- I feel like I'm making history. A real end user vs tech people conundrum.
  
  A "people who know what cloudflare acutally does" vs "people who found the meme funny" conundrum.

"So you solved the catcha, ok, we don't care anyway."
- "Solve 5 more because you're using a vpn."

I want to upvote and downvote this post.. it's so controversial
- They have a shitty way to be useful.
- I would personally go with just downvoting. I can use discord again now so I'm not mad at cloudfare anymore.

I hopped in this thread then shortly thereafter got redirected to a cloudfare bad gateway page. It's a conspiracy.
- don't listen to the nerds, cloudfare is trying to steal your soul and sell it to the Big Capybara industry.

Literally trying to figure out if Cloudflare or tailscale would be the best way to go. The memes have spoken
- Cloudflare is excellent, this post is nonsense.
- Tailscale is the way! Have been running it since January, flawlessly.
  
  I went full rabbit hole and discovered headscale
- Don't use memes to make decisions I'm just mad I can't use the discord app on my desktop, can't download manga from nhentai without jumping through hoops anymore, and have to solve 5 captchas in a row when I use a vpn which is all the time.

To all the upstart website-havers: no, you probably don't actually need to use cloudflare

I really think that on the list of worst single points of failure, DNS is not one of them. Given how easy it is to actually switch. And given that cloudflare outages are not nearly as common, The times they do happen usually are only for half an hour or so.

I am baffled seeing so much cloudflare fanboys here...
Cloudflare is everywhere, it sees everything, it holds everything, it has private keys for tons and tons of websites, it's subject to the absence of any privacy law in the US, but they are "nice". Wow.
Google also was nice. It used to give you good results. Twitter also was nice.

This post is currently top-1 when sorting by controversial. Objectively amazing bait.

One more head of Hydra. Espionage System built by the big techs

Considering how I (try) to do bug bounties for money, it's bad for that, but otherwise, it'd probably be worse without it, considering how it seems a lot of developers seem to totally rely on it for reflected XSS protection.

Cuckflare: host loves it, everyone else hates it

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