Kevin Spacey found not guilty in sex offences trial - BBC News
Kevin Spacey found not guilty in sex offences trial - BBC News
The Oscar-winning Hollywood actor cries as he is cleared of all charges at London's Southwark Crown Court.
“Trial by social media”
I dunno. He certainly didn’t help his cause there when he released that creepy vague cringe vid he did about the accusations in his House of Cards character.
Testifying at your own trial is almost always a bad idea, even if it's a social media trial
He did like 3 of those, one per year, consecutively
I'm still surprised how quickly this guy's 30 year career imploded. He went from a household name to basically non-existent in the span of a week. Can't say he didn't bring it upon himself but it's still surprising.
Its really not.
A LOT of celebrities are complete assholes. And everyone knows it. But nobody is going to say anything because it will just hurt them. Its why almost nobody bothers to bring up that Tom Cruise is a deranged cultist (linked to more than a few "disappearances").
But when someone fucks up? EVERYONE comes out of the woodwork. Chevy Chase basically went from "he is one of the funniest people alive" to "We all would be a lot happier if he was dead" almost overnight. Bill Murray isn't QUITE at that level, but all the "Ha ha ha, Bill was always so funny with how he would rib us" became "He is a dipshit who is hard to work with but I guess he is still funny". And Jim Carey is always on the verge of that with most interviews about him being "Oh yeah. He is a real character. He was always so funny on set and never broke character and yeah. He is a card. Oh, but I love all the stupid bullshit he did because he is an artist. Please stop writing. STOP!!!".
Or, just look at Jonathan Majors. He was THE it guy in hollywood and was well on his way to Denzel status. Then he got into an altercation with his girlfriend (I want to say he violently abused her in public, but I think the investigation of that has been "weird"). And pretty much INSTANTLY social media was full of other actors and production crews basically saying "I don't know if he did THIS, but he is an abusive piece of shit with a long history of this and everyone hates working with him".
And studios are generally okay with it because.. it means they aren't expected to pay the big bucks for the current it person. And, in the case of happy stories like Robert Downey Jr, it means they get an amazing actor/actress for dirt cheap during the inevitable comeback.
Ooh, another good example is Tom Hardy. He is notoriously an asshole and hard to work with, but he is a moderately good actor who is friends with a lot of REALLY good directors. The Fury Road stuff was particularly funny because basically EVERYONE was talking about what an asshole he was on set. And then Charlize Theron basically had to spin it as "oh, I hated working with him. But we were both being jerks so it really isn't his fault and I have no hard feelings." Because, for her "okay-good" acting, Charlize Theron has pretty much demonstrated herself to know how to work Hollywood over the past few decades and she knows who is winning if there is "beef" between her and Tom Hardy.
But if you are making the kind of movie that Tom Hardy would be great in? You are expected to at least try and budget him in because it will "help the film" so much.
What's the public sentiment on this verdict going to be? I have not been following the case.
I think he was found not guilty. Anyone that continues to demonize him should probably step up with more information than came out at the trial before they open their mouths again and ruin a man's career.
I'm not sure where the first witch hunt came from, but I'd lay it at the feet of social media platforms like Reddit causing an echo chamber that drove it.
The fact that he was abandoned by the studios and the people he worked with said more about them than it does about him.
A verdict in a court of law is based on what is presented, not on what happened. This is what makes it possible for people to commit a crime, and get away with it (or get framed for something that they didn't do).
This is a question that I do not want you to answer here, but one to ponder:
If your son/nephew/younger was up for a part in a project that was directed by, and starring Kevin Spacey? What weight would you assign to that Not Guilty due to insufficient evidence verdict?
Calling it a social media witchunt is a bit trite. A number of people came forward, detailing a history that spanned years. His claims that they were motivated 'by money' and painting it as 'aspiring actors' when we're talking a group that includes professionals with their own VERY well established careers also reeks of the rear end of the equine.
It was around the qanon situation
And after Weinstein
Edit: just read the harassment stuff on Wikipedia.
I'm not sure if this trial tells anything about the whole truth with all that going on
Even the career is not important, whole life is ruined. Just imagine family and friends all ar least asking about it and some leaving you.
While I agree there should be severe and swift punishment for sexual offences, there should be some punishment for false accusations. I know that sometimes is just not prooved and sometimes it is in legally gray area, so not automatic, but if it can be prooven that someone was intentional lying - then there should be consequences.
You are still allowed to dislike innocent people. The law is not morality.
He also wasn't found "innocent", but "not guilty".
There's a vast difference between that. Not guilty means that we can't prove he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt, not that we can prove that he's innocent.
It's still very likely he committed crimes, but we can't be sure enough to send him to jail.
Came here to say this! With all we've heard about the man, I'd say he's slam-dunk "not innocent". BUT, he was found not guilty as charged.
People really get up in arms because they don't know the difference. And it's not just some legal shenanigans, it's a real-world thing.
Another example is my sleezebag Congressman, Matt Gaetz. People act like he wasn't prosecuted due to being in Congress, money, whatever. No, he wasn't prosecuted due to lack of evidence and witness testimony.
Is he an innocent man? Fuck no. But that's not enough to lock him up. Given the nature of the case, I wouldn't have prosecuted either. About zero chance of a jury returning a guilty verdict. Pretty sad about it, I really hoped to see that man in orange.
When Depp won against Heard, Reddit went full on circle jerk around Depp. Sure his ex was an abusive fuck, but that doesn't excuse Depp's horrendous actions and his general creepyness. Dude is 60 chasing after 20 year olds and complains when they're immature. His ex may have been worse than him, but he's still an abusive creep.
semen (the body fluid)
You are still allowed to dislike innocent people.
Just a small correction. Being not proven guilty doesn't proves innocence. It just means that the accusation couldn't be proven in court. That's the price we pay for our justice system which tries to keep wrong convictions as small as possible, quite a few guilty people will walk free.
And I think in this case a guilty person walks free.
Even though I haven't been following the case, I'm quite surprised.
I wonder if Netflix will hire him to do an alternate ending for House Of Cards now that he's been found not guilty.
I'm not too invested in this so I could be wrong but wasn't there a news story just recently that like 3 people set to testify against him died mysteriously or something?
Will be interesting to see if his career rebounds after this or what.
No chance, he's tainted goods. Maybe with the right social media spin, after a LONG time, he could come back.
Really sucks, loved his acting. Just watched American Beauty the other night and was able to see the actor and not the sins. But still, tell me Spacey is in a new movie, and guess what's top of mind?
But nobody waited for the verdict, they canceled him to the end of the galaxy and the internet told me he was guilty. Would an "Oops, sorry" be enough until the next stampede?
While he wasn't found guilty for these specific accusations, they were not the worst ones, and proving these cases from decades ago is pretty much impossible.
Court outcomes never clear someone of accusations that were not included in the court case and generally favor the defense. Spacey has so many accusers over such a long time period that the odds of him attracting that many false accusations is zero. There was both no reason to wait and no reason to think that being found not guilty is a free pass.
Is Cosby redeemed because a judge through out his conviction?
Is Cosby redeemed because a judge through out his conviction?
This asks a question that I think is valid, but is fraught with emotion and history. Should it not mean that Cosby is redeemed if the charges are thrown out? It is extremely difficult to prove cases from decades ago, but does that mean that someone should face social consequences for charges that haven't been proven in a court of law? Statistics say that most sexual assaults go unreported. Which is why there is a good and understandable push to believe people who report. But experiencing consequences based only on those reports also doesn't seem to be the best.
While I admit that I don't know the intricacies of Spacey's case and all of his accusers, yes, if we can't 100% be sure that he is guilty, I would abstain from canceling just because it's trendy now. I know, rage baiting is the most effective tool these days.
There are monsters out there that take advantage of people in lower positions but there are also people that are innocent but because somebody is either jealous or wants to cause havoc, they get "canceled" for life.
I guess I am more cynical when it comes to things like this because I know a case(good friend) where a guy's life was practically destroyed by a vengeful ex-girlfriend/co-worker.