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Why not both?
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to be fair that was a regulator decision. they seem to have went for the low hanging fruit of something relatively easy to replace without impacting the bottom line.
not gonna save the world by a long shot, but its a better than nothing sort of deal im surprised they even bothered with in the first place.
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My conspiracy theory is it was chosen to deliberately harm the optics of environmentalists. Something with minimal useful impact and maximum inconvenience would turn people against the whole idea of environmentally friendly alternatives.
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I see a lot of people who share your opinion. I used to work rehabbing sea turtles and EVERY turtle we received alive or dead had straws/bags in their gut. It might not seem super important but those products look more like jellyfish and turtles have poor eyesight.
The nets commercial fishing boats make the most plastic waste by a lot but declining a plastic straw and bringing your own bag to shop WILL save a life.
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I think it's also a product of the guy on the left likely has never used and will never use a fishing net. It's kind of like the tarrifs on Canada. America wasn't ever complaining that drugs were being trafficked over the the Canadian border but that is the reason they are giving for the tarrifs. The truth I see is one of the highest imports from Canada to the U.S. is Aluminum. Coke already stated if Aluminum costs go up, they will simply make more of their products in plastic bottles instead to keep their costs down. Those plastic bottles are made from petroleum which funds much of the GOP's campaigns. He is simply paying back oil executives by ensuring aluminum prices rise. Cokes profits stay the same, Oil companies profits go up. Where does the money come from? Working class Americans
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I think it's also a product of the guy on the left likely has never used and will never use a fishing net.
What? This an absolutely absurd assertion. Fishing cooperatives are incredibly common. Find one near* you and go inside.
Also, who do you think are the ones cleaning up the mess, actually cutting the nets off, and doing the research? It's not the guy trying to max out his investment portfolio, that's for sure.
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I am all for minimizing/eliminating single use plastics. But when i get served a milkshake in a plastic mug, with a plastic lid, and a plastic spoon, but a paper straw because of "save the sea"...
i just wish we used our brains more.
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Honestly how much more expensive would glass mugs/cups be? Like A&W Canada will give you a chilled mug for root beer (and other drinks but the root beer is iconic)
If it's to go then then paper cups are fine. The paper straws are just annoying...
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What if dispenser machines had a pay by volume model? You bring your own thing, they fill it, and charge you by how much you use. Would probably need something added to measure flow and set prices, but it's not like a McDonalds built in the 70s is still using exactly the same machines they were back then.
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If you saw how much plastic is used to get that paper straw to you (logistics) you would just drink from the cup
Also paper cups are lined with plastic to stop the drink from running through it, metal cans are lined with plastic to prevent a metallic taste
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Oh, i don't prefer using it anyway, it got served with it already in.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-16529-0
It's more like at the first place, with 26% of the mass. Majority doesn't mean "half of".
Nevertheless, even if the fishing industry produced no plastic pollution, it would still destroy the ecosystems directly and indirectly (breaking the food chains by fishing tons of krill and small fish to feed the farms)
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Majority literally means the subset making up more than half of the set.
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Yeah, "plurality" is the generic word for a leading sum, "majority" absolutely does mean >50%.
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The worst thing about paper straws is seeing it poked through a plastic lid.
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Cool thing is that here in Copenhagen a lot of privately owned places now also use cardboard lids. As someone who delivers food for a living, I'm also happy about the change because cardboard lids have far more fiction and don't pop off as easily when transporting.
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Noticed the same thing, how can one be concerned about the plastic straws but not the cups? I almost thought that was the joke.
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How is called virtue signaling
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Plastic Recycling is Largely A Myth.
The world produces an average of 430 million metric tons of plastic each year. The United States alone produces tens of millions of tons of plastic waste annually. Yet on average, only about 5 to 6 percent of plastic in the U.S. is recycled.
Basically, the vast majority of plastic either literally cannot be recycled, at all, or would be astoundingly expensive to properly seperate according to it's different types and run through the recycling process.
... So, in most cases, it isn't, and just ends up in a landfill or being directly dumped into nature.
Oil companies have known this for decades, and, as with other issues surrounding pollution ... they've promoted anything that makes an individual feel guilty when they know that even if all individuals followed the suggested course of action, it would have a negligible impact.
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Oil companies have known this for decades,
fun fact: BP created the carbon footprint to turn the guilt onto the end consumers, and away from them.
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But please put your plastic in the bin marked plastic.
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https://recyclingcenternear.me/7-types-of-plastic-explained/
Which of the 7 different kinds of plastic go in which bins?
Are the labels on the plastic even correct? Do they even exist at all?
Does your local recycling / garbage take away service specify?
Does the processing center they are taken to actually bother to seperate them?
The answers to all those questions vary widely by different zipcodes.
Has any of your plastic waste touched food, or touched other plastic that has touched food?
If so, its probably considered contaminated and unrecycleable, and is just put into a landfill, as it would take a lot of time and effort to sanitize it.
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Lol at "landfill" being different from "dumped into nature" in your brain
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A proper landfill is a set aside, contained area, that has systems in place for things like managing pollutants from leaking into the water table, keeping people and animals away from it so as to not infect or injure themselves, monitoring and mitigating the temperature and emmissions of the landfill, etc.
They aren't all so advanced or well staffed, but a whole lot of landfills are, and they are better for the environment and human and animal populations than just letting trash pile up everywhere, willy nilly.
They obviously are not perfect, but they are certainly better than nothing.
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... Where do you think all the mangled fishing nets and what not that environmentalists fish out of the sea... end up?
Do... they just throw them back into the ocean?
Or maybe a contained and secure hazardous waste site?
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Just FYI:
Single-use plastic products are used once, or for a short period of time, before being thrown away. Under the EU’s rules on single-use plastics, the EU is tackling the 10 single-use plastic items most commonly found on Europe’s beaches and is promoting sustainable alternatives. The 10 items are
Cotton bud sticks Cutlery, plates, straws and stirrers Balloons and sticks for balloons Food containers Cups for beverages Beverage containers Cigarette butts Plastic bags Packets and wrappers Wet wipes and sanitary itemshttps://commission.europa.eu/news/less-plastic-waste-means-cleaner-beaches-2024-08-14_en
So yeah, nets are bad, but straws, plastic bags, cigarettes and packages are also a problem.
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Not saying they are not but from what you posted it could still be 99.9% nets, what is in the article is just a list of the most common found items in beaches.
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This is a list of end-consumer items put together by a government body beholden to fishing and other industries. And it’s not even about pollution levels, it’s specifically about beach pollution. Plastic lids on cartons of heavy cream are “also a problem” if we focus only on reducing plastic waste in the kitchen, but implying it’s even relevant compared to industrial plastic waste is disingenuous
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Single use plastic items laying on the beach is what bothers people the most, but this doesn't mean it is the biggest problems. There is much more plastic in the oceans that we do not see.
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People want to pretend just the things that are convenient to them are an issue. They say government and companies need to take action, then complain about actions taken. It's really wild to see.
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straws
I probably use a straw a single time each year, and I don't see people using straws much either, why is this a huge problem again?
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And if you go out and order a drink, you might get 3 or 4 straws. Yes, it's stupid. Yes, it doesn't make sense. But it happens and people throw their to-go drinks into the environment after they finished them
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Hmm. Perhaps the beaches shouldn't be the prioritized focus for developing alternatives to plastic.
If it's on the beach, it can be picked up. Today, tomorrow or eventually.
I think the plastic that can't be as easily be collected ought to be replaced by alternatives first.
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No, someone else is doing something worse than me so I'm absolved. I can do what I want.
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Yeah, I simultaneously want to comment that the left panels are a wild fantasy, as I've never seen an actual human say that we should focus on plastic straws. As far as I can tell, that's propaganda put into the world by companies trying to discredit genuine efforts.
But at the same time, it's not even like you have to focus on straws. You can simply not use them, because it is just a stupid concept to produce something that's immediately trash, and then also go and do other things in life. Believe it or not, most activities in life don't involve straws.
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Straws become the focus because people like them and find them useful and make them a part of their culture and then proposed bans threaten to take them away. People do focus on them, I've seen plenty of online arguments about straw bans and the ethics of straws, which happens because they are a part of the lives of the people arguing about them, unlike fishing nets which they never use or see.
There is a side of environmentalism that comes off as being smugly superior about your lifestyle and disparaging and seeking to shame and control in small ways (usually poorer) people who don't live that way, with the pretext that it's about saving the planet. To me that sort of thing seems like it's mainly just a dumpster fire of political capital, purely counterproductive.
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Have they not seen the turtle video?!
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That was not a single-use plastic straw. It was a reusable straw like the one people started buying to avoid single-use ones.
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But what if we pass the responsibility down to the consumer instead of dealing with industrial waste that's often more of a matter of cost than practicality?
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Then I won't get reelected.
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You can call yourself God emperor and have Facebook shovel your bullshit into everyone's face, that seems to work.
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On an unrelated notes, a huge fraction of oceanic microplastics is from car tyres. Driving is a number one source of oceanic microplastic.
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Car tyres are also significant contributors to terrestial microplastics and particulate matter!
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Since this is a science community, can I ask what studies directly link these microplastics to the specific adverse affects?
I see a lot of "BPA microplastics are hormone disruptors" and "microplastics found in placentas!" Etc ... ok, but are they the same microplastics in these studies?
It sounds like when everyone puts scarequotes around "chemicals"...
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And bad news: electric cars, being heavier, emit more microplastics.
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tbf they are only heavier because they are making them SUVs instead of coupes or sedans and trying to convince people that a 150 mile range isnt long enough for them as if they wont just plug it back in when they get home or as if they actually commute 75 miles each way. God forbid they have to wait for it to charge. Electric vehicles have the potential to be the same weight or lighter but car companies all suck.
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But aside from donating to NGOs dedicated to cleaning up ocean litter, the average person has very little way to reduce the number of plastic nets in the water. It requires lifting fishermen out of poverty, teaching them more sustainable fishing practices, and cracking down on littering, all things that require international cooperation.
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It requires lifting fishermen out of poverty
Bruh. These aren't 1 dude in a boat with a long line. These are billion dollar corporations running fleets. And yes, we need international cooperation to bring them to heel. Like with farmers, however, make no mistake that the people doing this kind of pollution are at all ignorant or unaware of what they are doing.
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Even the adrenaline junkies on Deadliest Catch are running multiple million dollar businesses
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the average person has very little way to reduce the number of plastic nets in the water
Besides the obvious and 100% viable option of just not eating fish.
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Yeah eating fish is not sustainable, especially considering how global fish population is dropping rapidly. Sadly, my dad loves fish..
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The average person cannot make the connection between the food they eat and the animal it was. People act so appalled by the torturous conditions in animal farms, and then stop at McDonald's on their lunch break to pick up some chicken nuggets, totally unaware of the irony
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You could go the rest of your life without eating another fish and you would be fine.
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Or organise a boycott on eating fish.
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The obvious solution is netting made out of a dissolvable material!
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But then they'll have to replace them more often. Unless this is referring to commercial fishing. My first thought was for people trying to feed their kids, but while I was writing I realized the big fishing companies are way more likely to be close to 100% responsible
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Maybe stop killing fish and fish will not die as much
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I hope that's not one of those fake animal rescue channels. I've been avoiding this kind of videos ever since.
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I was just going to post this channel.
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If only seals could understand neil-liberal individualism. Neil has to be a dick or he can't express his nonexistent personality via mindless consumption and/or integrated meaningless gestures to the contrary.
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