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JD Vance's cousin who volunteered to fight for Ukraine speaks out

www.newsweek.com JD Vance's cousin who volunteered to fight for Ukraine speaks out

"We are Vladimir Putin's useful idiots," Nate Vance told French newspaper Le Figaro.

Summary

Nate Vance, a former U.S. Marine and cousin of JD Vance, criticized the Trump administration’s treatment of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

After volunteering to fight for Ukraine in 2022, he condemned his cousin and Trump for “ambushing” Zelensky and pausing military aid.

He expressed disappointment that JD Vance never sought his perspective on the war.

The administration’s stance has sparked concerns over its alignment with Russia.

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Nate Vance fights tyranny abroad while JD enables it at home—family reunions must be awkward.
🐱🐱🐱🐱🐱

I expect Trump will respond by insulting the Marine Corps and not lose a single voter.
- Are you kidding? Marines love it when a person of higher rank insults them. His vote share will go up.
- He’s done worse and the military still votes for him. Tbf soldiers and anyone who is willing to die for their government is an idiot
- Will we ever see the breaking point of conservatives' support for Trump? Trump can kick them in the balls and thank him if he says "MAGA".
  
  Trump can kick them in the balls
  Are we absolutely sure he can raise his legs that far?
  
  Trump can kick them in the balls and they'll straight face blame Biden.
  
  My hope was we would see a slow shift after he was out of office like with Bush, but now I'm convinced he'll be the next Reagan. Decades from now we'll still be feeling the consequences while they talk about how he was the last great president who you could really trust.

Imagine a family member of yourself is currently fighting in a war, you’re being vocal about said war, but you’re actively ignoring said family member.
That looks pretty cruel to me.
- Let's not forget that with this administration, the cruelty is the point. I thought the guy was shitty before, this just keeps reinforcing it.
- I mean it's his cousin...he probably had to punch J.D. at some point in their lives to protect his sister from that weirdo^^
  
  TIL J.D. Vance is related to a couch
  
  Sisters Couch*
- It’s probably because he doesn’t care to dig into an issue any further than what fits the current narrative that he’s pushing, which should be a disqualifying trait for anyone holding an office this high.
- Next time activists see him and his kids they should ask him why he wants his cousin to die in Ukraine...

Death to the Trump administration.

If you watch the dynamic of the video, Vance was there to show he could do it on the big stage. Trump was the boss there watching and trying not to jump in until he felt Vance lost the thread.
That’s a great thing to do, as a boss, for matters of middling importance. Not so great when you’re both fucking morons and are risking a global conflict.

If Trump is a Russian asset, how was he allowed to run for his first term? Various agencies must have known.
- With lavish support from American donors and a fanatical base of nativist white nationalists to carry him across the finish line.
  Americans simply do not want to believe that Trump is the product of American money and American ideology. It always has to be the Evil Outsider who caused the problems. COVID is a Chinese Disease. Low wages and high unemployment are the result of Latin American migrants working here illegally. Our national deficit is the result of (((Globalist Bankers))) tricking us into giving away too much Foreign Aid. And now even the popularly elected President is the product of an Evil Russian tricking the sweet, innocent baby-faced Mark Zuckerberg into posting right wing memes on the reactionary social media website.
  Nothing is America's fault. We were forced into electing Donald. Twice. The Evil Foreigners are just that powerful.
- But her emails!
- Yes.
  It was known.
  It was said.
  It was shouted.
  Drums were beaten.
  There was attempt to save face and in so doing we didn’t shine the full light of sanitation on the issue and here we are.
  
  You believe that the accusation then and now were true and that everybody knew but nobody in the position of power prevented the takeover?
  Why is the focus on Trump then and not everybody else?
  To me it's easier to believe that this is drama to distract from changes that are in a way necessary but unpopular.
- I imagine it's a combination of not wanting to reveal sources and mechanisms for acquiring intelligence, needing to follow due process, unwillingness to show federal agencies interfering with a federal election, as well as a certain amount of fascism within the agencies involved.
  Add to that the previously common assumption that "it can't happen here."
  The real question is, why did the Biden administration not recognize the existential threat in letting them try again?
  
  The real question is, why did the Biden administration not recognize the existential threat in letting them try again?
  They did. And people were trying to warn everyone about this pretty much since Trump left office last time. Two problems. One is that people just didn't listen or didn't care. Especially his base. Trump could have ran Putin himself as VP and his base still would've voted for him. All the warnings in the world wouldn't have done jack shit.
  The other problem is that, especially as the incumbent running for re-election, Biden can only say and do so much before giving off the appearance that he is using his position of authority to attack political rivals and interfere in elections. I'm not even saying he'd be wrong per se, but using a position of authority to make those accusations and have someone prosecuted, jailed, and/or disqualified from running is a common tactic in authoritarian regimes, and people absolutely would be making those comparisons, likening Biden to a wannabe-dictator trying to hang onto power. Trump absolutely would have latched onto that with a deathgrip, and given the political environment we're living in, he could have easily won by an even bigger margin than he did on the backs of people saying that Biden overstepped his authority by trying to have Trump disqualified based on what would be perceived as wild accusations and conspiracy theories.
  And when it comes to political campaigns, perception is typically far more important than reality. Doesn't matter how true the accusations are. It would come off as a Biden conspiracy theory to try to have a political rival disqualfied, which most Americans are dead set against.

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