New version of the guide for change (I'm not the author)

I would recommend deezer over Spotify. Spotify enables Rogan and all his bullshit
- Qobuz! It pays artists the best out of any streaming service appartenly
- How is deezer these days? Last time I used it is many years ago.
  edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_Industries Access Industries owns Deezer. They invest in the US and Israel and have donated millions to republicans in the past.
- Or Qobuz (both are french)

Spotify shouldn't be on this list... They exploit artists and platform joe rogans horseshit for profit
- And i think they donated money to Trump also.
- Qobuz is great though, they also provide lossless music which Spotify still don’t.

Both Tuta and Proton have a free tier for their email. Also, I think Infomaniak's kmail might be an even better replacement for the typical email/cloud providers than the aforementioned, for normies at least.

Why does nobody ever remember about the Vivaldi browser?
- It's also chromium based. But other than that it's european and a pretty cool browser!
- Well, certainly not nobody, I hear it mentioned quite often on the internet! Just make sure to keep talking about it, if you want it to get more popular :D
- What makes Vivaldi better than other Chromium-based browsers in terms of privacy and such?

Orion is not a paid browser. Kagi, however, is a paid search engine, and Orion was made by the Kagi team. The browser is completely free and is in all Apple OSs (coming to Linux soon) and gathers absolutely no data. And the browser comes with no search engine chosen by default so it isn’t really an ad for Kagi.
I personally think it’s amazing especially how you can have both Firefox and Chrome extensions on it. Its only issue is it being proprietary.
- Orion was really well made. It is still beta, but when it is more stable, I'll give it a second go! 100% recommended.

After switching your search engine, hop into your European time-machine and go back to February to continue this guide.
- Idk who you are talking to 😂 The overview originated on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1jcr8ks/here_is_the_new_and_improved_guide_to_help_you/

can anybody explain why people hate on Waterfox? I'm using it for over a year now and it's been great so far!
- I think it's about none of Firefox forks being remotely capable of evolving on their own. So any large scale push to leave Firefox for any of these forks might only hurt Firefox which would in turn hurt its forks.
  My insignificant opinion on the matter is that it's great to have different flavors of Firefox that might be better suited for you, but it doesn't appear to lead to a solution to the underlying issue.
  
  thanks for that answer so we should all continue supporting firefox, as it helps it's forks too? i mean they are still a non profit but they have been doing weird stuff lately..
- I would be more interested in why they didn't go with LibreWolf?
  
  i tried librewolf about 2 years ago but it didn't quite work for me since it's high security settings were breaking the sites i visited :O

New version still misspells it "Mastadon" haha
- Master Don.

Is it possible to set up a signal server, or is it not completely FOSS?
- @Valmond @SrMono
  If you want to selfhost your own messenger, you can with Matrix or XMPP. XMPP, for ex, is the protocol used by WhatsApp.
  Edited: removed Signal. Actually it seems it's the encryption tool (OMEMO) for XMPP that is based on Signal protocol.
  
  XMPP, for ex, is the protocol used by WhatsApp and Signal.
  Whaaaa, really??
  
  Would my friends on signal be able to connect to that?
- It isn't at all. It is closed source powered by an American non-profit organization. You can consider this organization as friendly.
  They recurrently said, they would shut the gates if U.S. government/law wants them to store more than metdata (phone number+last activity date) they are storing.
  
  So noodlejetskis comment below is wrong?
  Thanks for the info BTW, I'm an avid user and proponent of Signal (best out there today eh.)
- you can set up your own server for your own needs as far as I know, but you'll probably have to build your own version of the client to connect to it. there's no decentralisation.

In what way is mastodon privacy focused?
- Well, the flyer originated here: https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1jcr8ks/here_is_the_new_and_improved_guide_to_help_you/ but mastodon stands out as it has no commercial driver. There aren't any ad-services profiling you, so that is a big win for your privacy.
  
  Yeah, but all your data is public, everyone can see it
  
  There aren’t any ad-services profiling you
  There's no way to know that.
- focused is not a good word for it but i do think it's fair to say that not actively milking you for data is caring about privacy these days.
  
  To quote James Hetfield...
  Sad but true.

Why not use something like Matrix (Element) as a messenger alternative?
- I found it difficult to transfer contacts there compared to signal, but you're right, it's better.

Why Waterfox over LibreWolf? I have only used LibreWolf, which is my 99%-of-the-time browser, and I am curious.

Honest question, is Switzerland a part of the EU now, or do they just get a pass for being surrounded?
- @RvTV95XBeo @SrMono No, but what is your gripe? Located in Europe. Spend most of their money in Europe and have the same general mentality. Strongly focused on privacy.
- They are not an official member, but being surrounded by EU countries lead to them being included in a lot of treaties and such.
- Oftentimes they are considered friendly.
  
  Even in the 1930/40s?
- It's like norway, the only way in which they're not part of the EU is that they don't get to vote and they have a handful of exceptions to highly specific things, e.g. norway REALLY doesn't want to let anyone else tell them how to fish.

There's also the free ksuite mail/drive as a free email alternative!

Last time I read here that Tidal is American. Which is it then?

@SrMono isn't bluesky also US owned
- Absolutely, and they evaluate training AI on user content. It's just a stopgap solution, I would always recommend mastodon instead.

Kmail suite for mails, cloud... (Switzerland ) they have a free plan (15GO for the cloud, and the cheapest paid plan is 2e/month for 1TO (20e/year ).
Threema for discussions (Switzerland) . the application is 5e, definitv not cheap for an app, but it is a one time paiement.
Swisscows (Switzerland), mullvad Leta (Sweden) as search engine. => they do not use their own index system but brave or google (you can choose for mullvad)
All those options are Europeans and have strong privacy policies.

No Threema?
- Unfortunately, Threema will never be a real alternative because of the price tag. There are just too many good alternative that are for free. For example, Element is European, privacy-wise good and for free.

Is Waterfox the most recommended Firefox alternative nowadays after the recent Firefox controversy?
Also not sure I would call Proton privacy focused. I still use it, but they have been rating out an environment activist to French authorities before.
- Well, Proton tries as best as they can, but they are not above the law.
  They retain as little information as possible, but in the end when the authority come knocking best they can do is appeal, but in the end they can't refuse to hand that over.
  Privacy does not exist in absolute, but only in relation to a threat model. If your threat model includes state actors coming after you, you should avoid leaving them your billing information, so pay with bitcoin or cash by mail.
  If, like most of us here, your threat model includes mainly surveillance capitalism, then using a credit card is fine.

Ecosia also has a browser for Android and Windows/Mac. Just not Linux. Vivaldi is great for Linux.
- both of these are just chromium reskins

These charts are pretty bad put a little more effort in
- Yea, in hindsight the original (https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1jcr8ks/here_is_the_new_and_improved_guide_to_help_you/) was not worth sharing.

Where's the part suggesting getting off social media altogether, and stocking up on guns, ammo, and cans of beans?
- @skeptomatic @SrMono You find that aplenty over on Matrix...
  
  And in other communities. Also you misspelled beer.