Microsoft Edge could use a win

Use an ad-filled browser controlled by a megacorp, with an engine built by another megacorp?
Hmmm, I dunno
- Even better. After you've explicitly triggered the default change MS is like "have you tried the all new megacorp spyware? It's not actually new, but identical to the spyware we already installed and absolutely nothing has changed in the last 10 seconds since you made the decision, but we figured we'd throw another churn barrier at you because fuck you; we own your OS. You're our product now bitch, and that's all you'll ever be"
  
  Sad but true
- Don't forget the OS built by a megacorp snorkeling up all your data anyways
  
  ..that they ask you to actually pay for the privilege. Because remember, windows isn't actually free (and you pay for it if you buy a pre-built).
  
  At least I can mostly opt out there. Or use Linux
- Well, on the other hand, said megacorp finances the only other engine (Gecko, Blink being a fork of Apples Webkit), so they don't have to bother with monopoly restrictions.
  Current web is broken.
  
  I realize this, but technically Mozilla is still an independent entity. They also fight some Google attempts at Web DRM, so it's still healthy competition
  
  I hope to see servo on my device next to Firefox some day.
- aren't they the same megacorp
  
  I think they’re referring to the fact that Edge runs on the Chromium engine which, as the name implies, is a Google product.

Edge started itself on boot after a recent Windows update. It even had a little pop-up about how "helpful" it was to have it start right when my computer turns on so I can "get to browsing" faster. It's never been set as my default. Uhg.
- Make sure you go into the settings and turn everything off. It'll run in the background and do God knows what even though you've turned off startup.
  
  And then on next update go turn it off again, since they'll enable everything again. Rinse and repeat for eternity. Or switch to Linux and be done with their shenanigans.
  
  If you sped through edge's first launch wizard recently it's now scraping your browsing data from other browsers.
- https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil
  Run this after every update, specifically the tweak that uninstalls Edge. Makes things a lot easier. It also gives you the option to delay feature updates by two years and only install security updates on time.

Well, I switched to Edge for work with the latest Chrome update (since internal apps were Chromium only), and was pleasantly surprised. It actually let me turn off almost all the junk, and is responsive in a way I haven’t seen in a Chromium browser in years.
Safari and Firefox for personal use though, and nothing compelling to make me change that.
- The performance is pretty on-par with other major browsers now, but it is the obscene amount of popups built into the browser that irritates me.
  
  I use edge for work every day, what popups?
- its based off of chromium, so one would expect it to be as fast as most modern browsers.
  its the annoyances built on top of them, and user privacy that matters in a browser nowadays
- Maybe look at ~~Bromite~~Cromite? Open Source Chromium browser where you don't need to disable anything
  
  Bromite has not been updated since January.
  One of the old Bromite contributors forked it: https://github.com/uazo/cromite
  
  Mulch to
- Same, I'm only allowed to use either Chrome or Edge on my work laptop, so I chose Edge.
  Librewolf on my personal laptop and Firefox on mobile tho.
  
  Bonus for Librewolf!
  I love Firefox... But the listicle ads are seriously tacky and annoying. I do not want Pocket. And I do not want Pocket randomly re-enabled after a set of updates.
- If you need to use Chromium, just use Ungoogled-Chromium or Brave. But Firefox/LibreWolf will always be superior.

Don’t worry Gill it will set itself back as default next Tuesday
- I've never had that happen. Either the US version of Windows is fucked, or people are bullshitting hard.
  
  I'm in the US and have never ran into half of the stuff people say MS forces on them on a daily basis.
  
  I had it happen once after a windows update. What it has done is put a shortcut on my desktop enough times that I wrote a script to check for and delete them whenever it does.
  
  What is does do way too often is make itself my default PDF viewer. I've got Adobe Acrobat Pro and Bluebeam. I have zero reason to ever want to see a PDF in Edge.
  
  There was a while there where it would default to Edge for PDFs and as a web browser after a update. Quite annoying for a factory full of PCs that I wanted to use Chrome and Adobe Reader instead.
  I tried Edge for a bit but stuck with chrome. Recently I've gone back to Firefox but I've not had one of those major updates yet that even tries to get me to log into Microsoft as a log in so it will be interesting when that happens again if Edge shows up as the default.
  
  I'm still on 10, but half the shit I see people complain about with Windows I've never experienced personally. Maybe I'm just lucky? Maybe I just read? I don't know, but I'm not having the same experience as a lot of people on here.
  
  From time to time when you update windows it'll show you a welcoming setup again similar to the first time you logged in. In that process it will try to convince you to setup some Microsoft stuff on your pc, including changing default apps, but it shouldn't do it on its own.
  But sometimes it does. It happened once for me this year.

What does "built for Windows 10" even mean? It's just a browser. It's even cross platform.
- Almost everything that runs on Windows was built for Windows. So it's a true statement, but pointless. That's like BF Goodrich advertising their tires as "built for cars".
  
  Relevant xkcd
- "Designed for Windows Me Millennium Edition"
- NO WONDER I CANT GET IT TO RUN ON SOLARIS!!
- You're right, clicked it away so many times over the years and never stopped to think what a silly statement that was. I feel like it was for a time when 10 was a new shiny 'mysterious' thing, that it might convince people into thinking it needed something special, but has just aged like milk.
- That unlike teams, which they didn't bother to build for windows and instead used a webapp, they actually bothered to use their own ui tools on their own operating system for a change? (But I guess they only did that so that teams could be a webapp, based on edge...)
- Maybe they meant it integrates well with other windows 10 apps?
  
  Integrates how?
- It’s integrated into the OS
  
  In what way is it "integrated"? Please, I'd love to know.

Edge was a win when it first came out. It had its own rendering engine, was fast and svelte.
Now it’s just another bloated Chrome clone overstuffed with privacy-invading marketing features.
- Same story every time. Something good turns into shit because they need to add marketing.
  I'm shocked Microsoft hasnt fucked up VS Code yet. Someone much smarter than average is running that team at Microsoft.
  
  Oh now you've gone and jinxed it.
  
  Nah the future for VS Code looks dark imo. They own VS Code, Github, NPM and Copilot and everything they touch turns into shit.
  
  It turned bad because a bunch of users refused to use it because they remembered never updating past IE8 and made jokes about it lagging behind the competition
  VS Code is the fucked up version of Code OSS
  
  It's because they make their devtool money off of enterprise licensing costs, and they get those costs by getting developers to be okay using their devtools.
  The tool is the advertisement for building software for Windows. If it gets too miserable to use the tools or build for the ecosystem, then some companies won't prioritize windows software, and developers will prefer jobs doing something else. It's got to be good enough so that decision makers at software companies don't start hearing that windows software takes three quarters longer to develop.
  Web developers are already targeting their browser as an afterthought, and mobile developers are pretty pulled into to apple ecosystem, since you can develop android apps on a Mac, but you can only use a Mac to make iPhone apps.
  Without developers, applications lag, and they lose business and consumer market share, which costs them more developers.
  Hence: visual studio is fine, and they keep adding azure features to GitHub and tying it all to visual studio.

Edge is pretty good...
...for downloading Firefox.
I wouldn't even use a proprietary browser if they'd pay me for it. Let alone a chromium based one.
- You don't even need a browser
  winget install Mozilla.Firefox
  
  That's a weird way to write apt install firefox
  
  True, I missed that winget is now preinstalled with newer windows versions. I don't use windows a lot though, especially not for browsing the web.

This joke was funny when Chrome was superior, but now Edge is actually better.
- maybe, but they are both proprietry spyware and chromium based. firefox is better than both
  
  I agree. But sometimes your pages won't load with Firefox. For you and me it's great. We can get around it. For your parents and grandma's, it's a nightmare.
  
  Mozilla isn't exactly perfect either
- I'm a WEB UX designer that helps with testing new pages and Firefox sometimes doesn't render things that all the other browsers can.
  Firefox is great for privacy but shit is buggy.
- Edge is stuff tacked on Chromium. How can it be better?!
  
  Isn't chrome also based on chromium? I would argue they are equally bad, because both are proprietary.
  
  When I see the current version of Edge I'm reminded of those bloatware-packed OEM Windows preinstalls adding useless toolbars to Internet Explorer, except this time it's a sidebar.
  I'm disappointed, and when asked by people I recommend replacing Edge. Preferably with Firefox, but even Chrome is better.
  
  It's like saying Mac OS is just a Linux distro. It's similar but actually pretty different when it comes to how it manages its memory.
- Edge is my daily driver and has been for a couple of years. Seems faster than Chrome, but maybe that's just my perception.
  I think these haters are hating because Microsoft. Or, they're too ignorant to realize Edge is Chrome under the hood.
  
  I wouldn't have a problem with Edge if it wasn't always running in the background, it's quite spooky. Not to talk about when it gives me the popups to not change the browser, it is my computer and I will do what I want with it
  
  We use Edge in our company for the integration since off of our users are on 365.
  On some hold outs that kept trying to cling on to Chrome, I just changed the beachball shortcut on their desktop to open Edge instead. None of them have noticed the change over a year later.
  
  Not sure if it really could be faster than Chrome since they share the same web renderer (chromium) but Edge is definitely better optimised than Chrome when it comes to memory usage since MS has a better understanding of how its own OS works on a lower system level.
- Finally someone talking sense.
  
  It's funny how nobody talks shit about Apple.

Windows put a full page ad for windows 11 before my computer started, I'm never upgrading. Hope to God Linux gaming gets better by 2025
- linux gaming is basically there at this point proton can run most games flawlessly unless you wanna play games with hyper aggressive drm or anticheat it mostly "just works"
  
  As a linux noob, I'd say it 90% there. I got a new computer recently, decided to only install linux to see if I could dump windows entirely, expecting to dualboot eventually. The only problems I've had so far are Curseforge, MC realms, and One Shot. I've got Modded Skyrim and modded Hollow Knight working, I'm incredibly happy with linux gaming.
  
  I still have many issues regarding VR games. Mostly related to the view being delayed from what I am actually doing, making me nauseous.
  For me, that's one of the biggest issues holding me back from switching. I don't want to bother to dual-boot OSes just for a few VR games.
  
  Man, I just tried for a few weeks and just had no luck on the games I was trying. It maybe is there for most people, but I still ended up in the "google for commands that might resolve these weird crashes / errors" and building random packages from source. However, I tried on a gaming laptop, which have notoriously had worse support than standard discrete cards. I wonder if my experience would have been different with a standard PC. I also recognize that Steam is the answer for a lot of people, but I just don't have that many Steam games.
- It needs a larger user base before companies will make the native version for it
  By not switching you play into a self fulfilling prophecy
- Genuinely no idea how Linux gaming could be better. I've been playing on desktop and Steam Deck for years, both "flat" games and VR games and it just works. Sure I don't try literally everything but with ProtonDB I'm confident it will work, or not, and decide accordingly. Obviously not all games work on Linux but definitely more quality games that I have time for. For me it just works, I spend at least 99% of my time gaming on Linux actually gaming, in fact I can't even remember when is the last time I tinkered. I don't even have problems with GPU drivers despite tinkering with containers with machine learning. I'm not trying to say nobody has problems or dismiss problems people do have, just sharing my experience.
  
  I think this is overselling it a little. I still run into issues with Proton from time to time that require sigkilling it and its children, and some games (especially EA titles) are finnicky and can take a few tries to launch properly.
  As for VR, SteamVR on Linux outright sucks. It virtually never works the first time I launch it and requires some combination of reconnecting hardware and restarting software and the computer, and it's plagued with bugs (most recently the UI rendering upside down in the new beta).
  Don't get me wrong, Linux has been my primary platform for some 5 years and my only one for the last few and I'd never dream of going back to Windows, and gaming on Linux has progressed unbelievably in the time I've been daily-driving it. But it still isn't totally painless and there's definitely more room for improvement in the coming years.
- Honest question - what is the current problem(s) in Linux gaming? And I don't mean that the way it sounds, I just haven't done it in a long long time. I mean back then it had to have a linux specific version and you had to deal with X11 mouse input.
  Now with Wayland and things like steamdeck existing I'm surprised it's not more viable.
  I'm sure it's a long list but what are the main factors? Just a curiosity. Unfortunately I just don't get to play games these days. Still GPU and sound driver issues? Publishers refusing to take the extra steps to make a multi platform engine work on it? Too many unknowns based on flavor of Linux installed?
  
  I'm not the guy you asked but I can answer for myself - it's still not nearly as effortless to use for gaming as windows. I work with computers all day, so when I sit down to game at night I absolutely refuse to debug shit. For Starfield as an example, it works via proton, but the protondb page is full of "to get around X issue use the following workaround", and I just can't be bothered.
  I use Linux for work and hobby software development, but for me to switch my gaming pc over would require it to not just be "viable", but effortless
  
  Only reason I don't switch to linux is because of both riot games and easy anti cheat(you can kinda play league of legends most of the time)
  but valorant's vanguard is just straight up built for windows so you can't cheat in their game, so you can't even open that game in linux
  And 99% of games that use easy anti cheat are also unplayable (except elden ring somehow)
  Tbh I haven't really played their any games that fall into this category lately, but I don't want to have to install windows every time I get a urge to play league and tilt myself
  and I know that dual boot exists but I have a very limited storage right now (I'm only on a 480gb ssd since my hdd broke)
  
  My main issue is a lack of support from games like DCS, which will never get Linux support, and not having trackIR support, but I suppose that just needs someone who is experienced.
  Also I can't play fortnite/cod and that's what my friends play.
- I switched back in 2019. It was pretty good then and it's almost seamless now. Hell EAC works now and I can play Squad without any hiccups
  
  I am glad squad works, haha
- Linux gaming is even better than Windows in many ways now
  
  How so?
  
  Linux is still only compatible with 10000 games on Steams 70000 games store.
  Windows is compatible with all of em.
  
  My game still does not support proton. Fuck that game.
- I hope gaming on GNU/Linux were bad, so I wouldn't have wasted hours of my life :')

Y'all I dislike forced browser adoption as much as the next guy.
And I've been using Firefox for years and years and years now.
But, I'm forced to use edge for work. And, as a browser purely, none of the anti-trust baggage attached....
It's really not too bad. A lot of things work just fine. And sometimes, if I'm having weird performance on a website on a personal device, loading the same URL in edge has resulted in improved/expected functionality of the website
- Yes, when I have used Edge it's been absolutely fine. Probably better than Chrome. I'd likely be quite happy to use it most of the time if it wasn't for the fact that Microsoft are so intent on forcing me to do so.
  I mostly use Vivaldi now which I think is by far the best of the Chromium-based browsers.
- IE was like that for a while too. Never again.
- with the amount of updates I think Edge is better than chrome now, but I still use firefox
- Edge isn't terrible at all. That's why it's such a risk to browser diversity and competition
- Yeah the problem with memes like this is (according to market share) that there are people that switch from Edge to Chrome and think they are actually using a better product
- Change your job
- I continue to use Firefox because I started using it a while ago and would rather not switch. I have to use Edge for school and it's legitimately equal to Firefox in many ways. With Bing AI added, Edge blows Firefox out of the water.
  
  The only reason Bing AI only works on Edge is because Bing AI specifically checks for edge. There was an extension that made it work on Firefox by simply lying about the browser, but Microsoft DMCA'd the developer.

Or just Linux, then you won't ever be asked again

Firefox FTW.
- How it's on android? Have they added back extensions?
  
  Yes there's extensions.
  
  Had they ever removed extentions?
  
  the most useful extensions for android firefox - ublock origin, there is already (and many more). Also, mozilla is working on bringing all desktop add-ons to mobile and everyone can contribute.
  https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2023/09/27/test-firefox-android-extensions-and-help-developers-prepare-for-an-open-mobile-ecosystem-in-december/
  https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extension-support-in-firefox-for-android-nightly/
  
  In beta it does, Stable should get access to the entire addons list around December IIRC
  Of course addons that weren't updated with mobility in mind might not work as well.
  
  pretty awesome, especially with extensions. I use it everyday.
  In fact, I have two firefoxes. one of them reserved for slack as I don't want to download the app and slack detects that I'm using desktop mode on android(on chromium-based browsers). but Firefox's(with chameleon) spoofing saves my device from one of the worst proprietary applications.
  
  The Mull version of Firefox has always had extension support, never even knew the official version had even removed it. Mull is otherwise identical with some hardening against tracking and removed telemetry. I've also never had issues with sites breaking which can be otherwise common with hardening
  
  Android extensions work, even on ancient versions. Not all extensions of course, but the important ones.

Gee Bing. You really are pathetic. Respect yourself dude.

Sorry Gil, it's still chromium ;c

I switched from Chrome to Edge and initially was really impressed. But then Microsoft had to go and Bing it all up. So now it’s back to Firefox after a 15 year hiatus.
- You want something even better? Check out LibreWolf. It's Firefox with all the privacy features preconfigured, uBlock Origin preinstalled and all the crap like Pocket and sponsored websites removed. And of course it uses DuckDuckGo instead of Google by default.
  
  That duckduckgo default is the thing that aggravates me the most. Sometimes those results just don’t cut it but I don’t even have the option to chance my default browser. I had to bookmark google

I really liked Edge like a year or two ago. It seems they are trying to destroy it as fast as possible.
- Have you used it recently? They've gone crazy with shitty toolbars, especially on windows
  
  The right click menu has an entry to search what is highlighted with the default search engine next to an entry to search with bing.

- It's a decent browser, but half the reason people hate it is because MS tries to force it on you. They should let it stand on its own merits then maybe it wouldn't have such a negative reception.
  
  Meh, Chrome is a piece of shit as well. If you use gmail on another browser, they keep pestering you to try Chrome.
- It's better than chrome for sure. Depending on what your criteria for using a browser it, it might even be in the top 3 browser options.
  But it's still a Microsoft product filled with the usual Microsoft shenanigans. If you don't care about your browser keeping track of what you do and that sort of privacy concerns, absolutely give it a try. You can even use it on Linux and Android and it works fine on those too.
  One other negative aspect I can think of is that Microsoft is quite open to adhering to Google's own shenanigans like that recent proposal they got ridiculed for. For that reason I'd rather recommend Vivaldi instead - there's very little that edge does better than Vivaldi and there's plenty that Vivaldi does better than it.
  But also, please, consider using Firefox if you don't have any problems with it. You'll literally be helping make the internet a better place just by using it. So many people use chromium based browsers today that Google literally owns the way the internet works.
- Better than Chrome for sure. Not better than Firefox
- It's because Edge is built on Chromium now.
- Yeah, I like it too

Fuck no, I'm not particularly a fan of how it forces itself on you like Brock Turner (the rapist).
It can go and join IE in whatever pit of hell we threw IE in
If you wanna say that Chrome is trash and people should use Firefox, Opera, Safari or whatever else is currently trending among privacy focused people that I can agree with (Even if I personally won't make the switch)
But Edge is NOT the answer, Edge is NEVER the answer. At this point I'm starting to wonder if all these Edge people in here are being paid by MS
- There are some things from reddit I hope never come over here, but shitting on the rapist Brock Turner is always welcome in my books.
- Welcome to the boat, I tried edge from all the people recommending it on reddit and I hate it
  And the rapist analogy is not enough for how bad it is, it'll copy everything from your default browser without your permission (or I somehow missed it)
  Like I was caught by surprise when all my bookmarks, passwords, etc were just straight up copied by that privacy intruding piece of crap.
  Fuck edge
  
  Definitely missed it. It doesn’t grab everything without permission, but probably wants to stay out of the way so you do pull it all in
- Edge is probably my favourite chromium browser. Seems like you care too much.

The weirder thing is I was replacing a users desktop the other day and updating default apps. Edge did its usual "pleas love me" bit but then so did Windows Mail as I was changing it to Outlook 365 of all things..
- noo dont replace me with another microsoft email program!

How long is Microsoft going to play this game? We don't want your browser and we didn't want it since Netscape. No one trusts you.
- For as long as they want. What we want doesn't matter. They are a very large company, so what they want is above what we want.
  
  Obviously
- I want it. I use it.
  
  Team edge!
- And this mentality is exactly why they keep shoving it down our throats.
  People should stop equating Edge to Internet Explorer. It isn't the same browser, it has a lot less problems, it is quite a lot faster, it it compatible with anything.
  Edge shouldn't have the stigma of Internet Explorer. It is a very decent modern browser.
- I want it
  
  Bizarre
  
  Username checks out

People might have used it if MS didn't try cramming it down peoples' throats, and if they didn't add so much bling.
- I gave it a try because I kept reading how it's so good on tech subs on reddit, turns out it's worse than Chrome… and it only got worse (with the Bing AI stuff, which was supposed to be even better)
  I now think those redditors might have been astroturfers.
  
  I've been using SwiftKey, but they had to go and add a Bing button to it... I never use it, but just having it there feels gross.
- And Bing

I've been using Edge for 2 years now. No problems whatsoever ever. You can stop begging MS.
- The begging is considered a feature
  
  Beg harder<3
  Yes that's the good stuff

Bing chat has saved edge and bing search for me, it just works. I ask it a random question, like how many spiders you'd have to eat to have eaten a pound of them and it just tells me and shows the work. I don't need to look up how much a spider weights and then do math myself, it just does it.
Firefox is still my main browser, but I'll open edge to ask dumb questions and I have a lot of stupid questions and it has answers without me needing to dig through bullshit to find what I need.
- Sounds like a great way to get a wrong answer
  
  It shows it's work, you can follow it's citations to ensure it's not complete bullshit.
  Also no seriously these are dumb questions, I was watching Fraiser the other day and it implied his ratings were in the millions, and I asked bing if that was even possible considering he was on AM radio in the 90s (it's not), but even if it was completely wrong it literally doesn't matter...
  
  The great thing about Bing Chat compared to other chatbots is that it sources its claims. I always check the sources before trusting it.
- Get the extension that enables bing chat for Firefox
- You really should reconsider your priorities if stupid questions like that are what causing you to stay with edge.
  "Hmm do I need privacy, or do I need to know how many spiders are in a pound?"

Sounds like good opportunity for US and Europe to whip out some fines over Anticompetitive practices. With Microsoft sort of being repeat offender the fines should reflect that.
Honestly with Edge being not too bad alternative for Chrome this sort of shady behavior from Microsoft doesn't do it any good at least in my eyes.

here i go....strangely enough i used edge for a while and did not switch back
- I used and liked it for a few years, but now they started filling it with bloat ware again... switched to Firefox last month.
- I use it at work all the time and frankly, it's completely functional. I also prefer the Bing image search over Google images search these days... And I was a hardcore googler back in the day!
- Same. It worked great for me with the profiles (personal microsoft account + uni microsoft account) until my uni disabled the bookmark syncing feature for all our accounts. For some odd reason.
  Then I switched to Firefox and I'm not turning back.

edge uses half or less of the system resources versus firefox with twice as many tabs open even on linux
plus edge allows microsoft office to run on linux without workarounds
- For me, Firefox has better privacy and more powerful extensions, particularly variations of tree-style tabs.
- Just use chromium then

Could it though?

You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

Microsoft tried to make a browser that had an edge, and they just decided fuck it and gave it the name Edge.

I do use Edge as my main browser, for now.
- But why?
  
  Because my university is very Microsoft-centric when it comes to software and infrastructure. So using Edge allows me to keep myself logged in and not having to introduce my credentials every time i need to do something.
  
  Maybe they haven't installed Firefox yet
  
  You need something to download Firefox from right?

tried it up to when it asked to remember CC #s. not stupid
- Ff has that feature too. It's if anything more secure than remembering passwords because at least you still need the expiration date and cvc (unless edge saves that too).
  
  already using chrome for that. nothing but random passwords for about 300 sites. edge: import? no thanks dis chrome if you like. G has been good to me so far. was ff for a spell, got bloated

CTT Windows Utility -> Tweaks -> Remove Microsoft Edge

I use Edge whenever something needs to stream on a Windows PC, unlike other Chromium builds it is capable of hardware acceleration and therefor 4k streaming. Whenever you watch 4k on Google Chrome it isn't really that high quality.
- Its not hardware acceleration, it's DRM.
  
  You can add as much context and nuance as you want but at the end of the day the hardware usage is locked behind a door that Edge has the key to and Chrome doesn't.
- As much as I hate Edge and Chrome, ,my 5.1 surround sound doesn't work in Firefox. So if I want to watch something in surround on Youtube I have to switch to Edge. Then the nagging starts.

Idk, I really like Edge. It just has bad reputation due to Internet Explorer... It is actually very good imo.
- It depends on what circles you're in I suppose. But I suspect you're right for most people that dislike it. For some of us it's the Chromium engine it runs on, and/or the company it comes from.
  Edit: So more ideological reasons. I imagine the browser itself works fine.
  
  Yeah you're right. I can see and I respect people's reasons for not wanting to use windows / Microsoft products.
  I just wanted to point out this as I think many people still consider edge as a bad browser. At least in my experience it works really well and I personally like the style it has and overall the "windows 11 aesthetic" Microsoft is choosing for their products.

there actually begging at this point

Edge is pretty good now imo
- It was. Now it's bloated with Microsoft's services and thrown in your face if you don't use it as your default. For example Outlook defaults to opening it for links in emails even if you have a different browser as you default. Bullshit move Microsoft.

Next time edge is going to ask... what are you going to do? Install Google chrome? 😂

Honestly have been using edge on my work computer for a while now and see no reason to change. I use Firefox on my personal computer but for now Edge is just fine.

I was getting a bit annoyed at Firefox and after recently formatting my PC, I decided to freshen things up. So after the mandatory new PC Edge Google, I must say I'm really enjoying the new UI of Opera.
Now I use Opera as my main driver, Firefox for the things that Opera struggles with, and Edge is there too.
- Opera is spyware