US tells French companies to comply with Donald Trump’s anti-diversity order
US tells French companies to comply with Donald Trump’s anti-diversity order
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US tells European companies to comply with Donald Trump’s anti-diversity order
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The interesting part:
France has not traditionally been a place where DEI programmes have taken root because of legal limitations on the collection of racial and ethnic data. Employers are not allowed to factor people’s origins into hiring or promotion decisions.
In France, you cannot really base any official decision on the origin of someone, even just using the concept of race is considered racist and against the law. This is due to the trauma of Vichy's regime Nazi collaboration but also the popularization of the idea that there is no scientific evidence for human races in the current human population by the famous anthropologist Claude Lévi-Strauss.
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We still have DEI policies focusing on gender, disability and on socio-economic background (which does correlate with ethnicity in a lot of places). Of course in a lot of companies it's mostly for show, but in some it's done with a sincere will and has real effects.
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That doesn't apply to hiring women though, which is also DEI.
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It does in general according to this government website. https://travail-emploi.gouv.fr/offre-demploi-et-embauche-les-droits-du-candidat#anchor-navigation-411
Machine translated:
The same applies to gender. No one can mention or have mentioned in a job offer the gender or family situation of the candidate sought. This prohibition applies to any form of advertising related to hiring, regardless of the nature of the proposed employment contract. The offer must therefore be written in such a way that it clearly indicates that it is addressed equally to men and women. For example, "Executive M/F" or "Employee." For more details, one can refer to the document "Gender Equality in the Workplace."
However, when belonging to one gender or the other meets an essential and determining professional requirement, and provided that the objective is legitimate and the requirement is proportionate, the above prohibition does not apply. Article R. 1142-1 of the Labor Code thus establishes the list of jobs and professional activities for which belonging to one gender or the other is a determining condition; this list, which is revised periodically, is as follows:
- Artists called to interpret either a female role or a male role;
- Models tasked with presenting clothing and accessories;
- Male and female models.
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This sounds like Trump’s dream country.
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If you think it's because there's no help programs for minorities, there are, but it is usually based on the revenue of the household or the district.
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Right-wingers have decried this system for a while now. They're convinced it's designed to hide the fact that brown people commit more crime and such.
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My parents fled a socialist country many decades ago. I grew up listening to my father drone on and on about how bad Socialism is. He still doesn’t understand that there's a difference between socialism and totalitarianism, but following political developments of the last decade or so I am often reminded of his sermons.
One detail was: what happens when you hire people not based on qualifications but loyalty. You get stupid people in positions of power, happy to wield it for its own sake. Often with a penchant for cruelty and a vague feeling of revenge (against “the bourgeousie” then, against “woke globalists” now). And it always ends the same: you have to dilute milk with water and lie about it. This is where the US are headed now, folks. Stalinism, the burgeoning 3rd Reich, take your pick.
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My dad grew up in a communist country, and I know exactly what you mean.
I'm incredibly lucky that we have a kind of mutual intellectual respect, where we fact-check each other a lot and are both willing to change our minds about stuff. Consequently, I've managed to explain the differences between totalitarianism, communism, and fascism (had to explain why horseshoe theory isn't a thing).
He thought I was being hyperbolic about the US' slow descent into fascism in 2017, as I ran through the fascist identification checklist. As a victim of communism, he naturally tried to make excuses for Trump. That ended the first week of his second term, and we're having some close calls with a similar candidate here.
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We have too much emotional baggage to have regular discussions but it was kinda cool to be on the same side during Covid, pro Ukraine and against Putin and Trump. Although he too thought me hyperbolic when I compared Trump's first weeks in office to Hitler's first weeks in office. Maybe he has changed his mind by now.
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"If you don't play by our rules you can't do business with us!"
They just keep shooting themselves in both feet. As if a tariff war wasn't enough.
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To be fair
"If you don't play by our rules you can't do business with us!"
Is how our European market works as well right?
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It could be argued, I guess?
But to impose arbitrary (and contrary to democracy itself) rules overnight and expect everyone to follow suit instead of negotiating a solution? No fucking way.
Maybe I should have put it differently:
“If you don’t run your business by our fascist rules right now you can’t do business with us!”
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Well the difference is that EU tries to impose fair rules that will benefit (or hurt, as is too often the case) everyone equally, while Trump wants to impose unfair rules that only benefit US corporations and himself.
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Yeah, but we don’t try to apply our rules in their country. We demand they apply our rules in our jurisdiction.
They want to sell chlorinated chicken breasts in the US? No problem, but we don’t want that shit here.
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Damn. No chlorinated chicken for Europeans I guess.
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I'm remembering what always happens when US companies try to run US labour practices in Europe.
It's hilarious
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France replies to trump with "we wave our genitalia in your general direction."
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The best!
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Do you bite your thumb at me, sir?
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According to Les Échos, the letter concluded: “If you do not agree to sign this document, we would be grateful if you could kindly provide us with detailed reasons, which we will forward to our legal department.”
God this is so childish. This just isn't how grown ups go about disagreeing about things.
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My parents fled a socialist country many decades ago. I grew up listening to my father drone on and on about how bad Socialism is. He still doesn't understand the difference between socialism and totalitarianism, but following political developments of the last decade or so I am often reminded of his sermons.
One detail was: what happens when you hire people not based on qualifications but based on loyalty. You got stupid people in positions of power, happy to wield it for its own sake. Often with a penchant for cruelty and a vague feeling of revenge (against "the bourgeousie" then, against "woke" now). And it always ends the same: you have to dilute milk with water and lie about it. This is where the US are now, folks. Stalinism, the burgeoning 3rd Reich, take your pick.
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Yeah ultimately croneyism doesn't care what your ideology is unless your ideology involves acting on opposition to croneyism.
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The French government will have to intervene because I don't think corporations are gonna be willing to put up a fight on their own.
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European governments and courts have a long history of laughing at US companies attempting to apply US labour laws on European soil. I'm sure they'll cope.
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This matter is different: Companies stand to lose business with the US government. These types of demands from a big customer will likely actually effect change.
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Have you seen the size of his turkey neck? They're going to need to build a double wide for him.
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I’ll kindly provide you detailed reasons to suck my balls!
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Which means what Jimmy? What the fuck does this mean!?!!?
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I think they spelled anti-diversity disorder wrong.
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I think the issue is not about applying DEI in French companies, nor it exist. The problem is a foreigner leader telling an independent country how he should manage his companies, or at least, to foreign companies how they should hire people. You can't be a libertarian from one side and tell such things... until you want to fire every human and make every company in the world running with Musk AI and robots ...
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Government so small it can fit inside your office.
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I see no problems with the request. Their country, their rules. We here in EU should do the same instead of trying to fuck everyone of these companies equally. I say let Macaron deal with Trump if he wants to make amendments to the request. Now morally I would say this is absolutely retarded. But this is how this new gov operates there by default.
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We here in EU should do the same instead of trying to fuck everyone of these companies equally.
What do you mean?
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