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Hamas ‘quietly drops’ thousands of deaths from casualty figures

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"About 72 per cent of fatalities aged 13-55 are men, which is the rough age range of Hamas combatants, Mr Fox said. “We know that Hamas uses child soldiers, and these statistics show clearly that Israel is targeting fighting-aged men.”

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1w ago

Hamas ‘quietly drops’ thousands of deaths from casualty figures

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If you know that the source is tainted beyond being useful then why post it? Not intended to be a rude or combative question, just curious.
- Russia lies about the total number of casualties, Ukraine lies about them, Israel lies about them and it's safe to assume Hamas lies about them too.
  
  Well I knew Hamas lied about the Al Ahli hospital attack near the start of the war. Said there were 500 killed by an Israel bomb but footage came from Gaza the next day of a few obliterated parked cars but with no damage to the hospital. I did hear there were about 20 people camping nearby though who were unfortunately killed.
  The night of the incident Al Jazeera happened to live stream rocket attacks by PIJ (Palestinian Intifada Jihad) on Israel showing one of them misfiring to boomerang and land in the hospital vicinity.
  Hamas didn't even need to fake footage of hospital damage, Western media took their word for it. BBC was one of the very few who issued a retraction a few days later but I found all the above myself online and I am a nobody so why were they so loose with investigating and thereby inflaming tensions?
  Am a leftie but lost friends by pointing the above out. I knew then that facts from either side would not matter much from here on - isn't that why Trump was voted in? Facts mean little now to most people unfortunately when emotion is involved.
- If you were really curious you might have bothered to read the actual article. You would then know that the HJS is only one commenter in a list that also includes the Telegraph, and Honest Reporting within it. All of which are rated as right-leaning biased, but at least HonestReporting gets a "mostly-factual" from MBFC. The published data being criticized is from Hamas (and always has been).
  The bias is good to be aware of, but the factuality is critical. Considering a left-biased Euronews published the same report I suspect there is some truth to the core facts being discussed.
  
  Thank you, got it. Just different thinking behind how to post those things that got me caught off guard. I was asking to avoid wasting time on something I would have to fact check.
  My thinking when posting is that if I post something here I either want to know other people’s opinion on it or to be called out on it being wrong. I usually post sources I trust to be factually correct majority of time, regardless of bias. I don’t flag them for bias since it’s something that’s hard to avoid entirely. Most biased stuff I post is from financial mags that have this neoliberal vampire vibe but you have to love them for how good they are at their jobs due to all the competitiveness in the area.

This is just the gender fraction among the working age casualties of the bombing campaign. Men are more likely to be outside the home. Israel has been targeting all the infrastructure they can, including hospitals, schools, emergency services, etc.
Think about how societies would act when under constant bombardment. You still need to find a way to support yourself. The proverbial rent doesn't stop just because of the war. Especially in more traditional societies, you would likely see men doing most of the work outside the home, while women stay in whatever place is safest with the children. The wife stays back in the half collapsed building, while the husband goes to risk the crowds, riots, and potential machine gun fire at the aid trucks.
What war in history hasn't seen the male population, even the civilian population, be placed at a higher risk of direct violence than the female population? Especially in more traditional societies, men will be highly likely to place their wives and children in the safest places they can find, while they go and take on a disproportionate share of the risk of leaving relative safety.
And for their sacrifice and bravery, the men of Gaza are rewarded by being slandered. Are you a male of working age killed by an Israeli bomb? You are assumed to be a member of Hamas.
- Are you a male of working age killed by an Israeli bomb? You are assumed to be a member of Hamas.
  This was a dumb part of the article, I agree.
  IDF have claimed the ratio of civilians to militants was 2:1. If 72% of the killed were male then combining the two statistics would imply that about half the males "of age" were militants... FWIW.

I've seen headlines over and over recently claiming that the death toll in Gaza from the recent escalation was being reported lower than the actual numbers. So I'm kinda confused.
Is there any reason Hamas would intentionally underreport the death toll? I can't think of anything that would make sense. But I should probably point out that the claim that the actual number is higher did not come from Hamas.
Irregardless, the entire situation is appalling; this doesn't really change that fact.
- Irregardless, the entire situation is appalling; this doesn't really change that fact.
  Indeed, however if it is true then it really does look like mission creep: first only the North but extended all the way South, then the tunnels were more extensive than thought.
  Mission creep rather than wanton killing. But it has creeped so far that now we have Trump resort lunacy bandied about.
  
  Ah hell no. Those genocidal bastards went way way past "mission creep" decades ago.
  I absolutely do not agree with your statement. Kinda find it, well, disgusting is a word for it.
  This whole thing sounds far more like political posturing by Hamas in a desperate attempt to stay relevant; Israel has confirmed they're taking the Gaza strip, after all. Oh, but it's "Trump's plan" in a pathetic attempt to 'keep their hands clean'.
  This doesn't change anything.

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