Fascists are always just following orders

Dont love the AI slop but appreciate the message
- It does seem a little odd to include the USA twice and not to include China or the USSR once. They could have even included Dutch slavers putting Africans on a boat.
- Dont love the AI
  Are the taking Lemmy as revenue away from artists? Are they selling this commercially? Should they have commissioned a perfessional artist for your free meme?
  
  Something about trying to appeal to human emotions with robot creations doesn't sit right sith me.
  
  No, I just think it looks like shit

The message: 👍
The AI generated slop: 🫤
I could've made this art.
- Do it.
- Shocking truth:
  Humans can make all art made by AI.
  Humans can make all calculations made by computers.
  People use tools to achieve their goals more efficiently. It's the way it always has been. It doesn't mean there's no value attached to it.
  Incidentally, for all of the "this is AI" brigade, what are you picking up on? I'm not picking up on any of the classic tells. Aside from the closed fists in the first and last image, where I'd personally go for an open hand, I don't see anything obviously amiss.
  
  Dude pulling on native american person's braid, mother and daughter look too similar, mom's hand is messed up, SS logos are messed up
  There's a wave of AI generated comics hitting lemmy right now. At first i was in the same boat as you, found it difficult to identify
  Now after seeing more and more, my brain's detection algorithms are updating.
  I'm quite good at seeing obvious AI slop images, but comics was a totallly new thing i had to learn to detect
  
  What ever you do, don't look at the Native American's eyes. 🥴
  
  Hands, faces, eyes, insignias. The usual shit.
  
  The eyes, mostly. The braid thing is weird, too.
  
  Yea, I don't mind AI for personal use stuff like this. But AI in commercial stuff is a big no go.
  
  Humans can make all art made by AI.
  They didn't say "A human could make this", they said "I could make this."
  People use tools to achieve their goals more efficiently. It's the way it always has been. It doesn't mean there's no value attached to it.
  This counters another argument that wasn't made. Sure, the end product has some value, but also comes with the negatives that some people see as intrinsic in the use of AI.
  what are you picking up on?
  https://suppo.fi/comment/9316305
- but you didn't.
  
  What's your point?

AI generated?
- Yep, all the faces are disjointed from each other and seem generated separately. No soul at all

can we please keep this AI shit out of here
- Don't get upset about AI. It was just following orders.
- Seriously, I'm here to look at artists' work, not computer generated slop

Did AI make this? It looks like it
- It was just following orders.
  
  KOLANAKI
- Why is that man pulling her braid lol
  
  I don't want to assume their gender but that's a man, baby!
  
  Must've trained the AI on Wheel of Time.
  
  …he’s just following orders
- Nah dw the mom just has epidermodysplasia verruciformis

I think this community needs to have a conversation about whether we keep allowing AI comics.
It’s a no for me but I’m willing to vote.
- There's a vote under every post. Feel free.
  
  Nice “gotcha”. But you know what I meant. We should discuss adding it as a sub rule - so we can report it for AI as they come.
  
  When I've got 10,000 AI generated candidates on my ballot and its my job to pick out the half dozen real submissions, it feels like there's a structural problem with the election's process.
- I would vote "no" as well, but I imagine they're here to stay.

Why are there way more AI comic posts than usual lately?
- Because sometimes people have an idea for a relevant comic, but not the artistic ability to draw it. So, they use AI tools to create the artwork.
  
  Damn, you're right, artistic talent is totally required to make webcomics.
  I apologise for my glib response. I don't doubt your sincerity. Things may change in the future. It's just that in this particular historical moment AI has as much to do with democratising talent as nfts did with supporting solo artists/creators.
  
  I am sorry. This combination is no longer allowed. Internet gatekeepers have spoken.
  edit: obligatory /s?
- AI shitposting is effortless.

Just following orders...

AI-generated. Thanks for training my neural network (brain) to identify more AI-generated images (slop).
- What tipped ya off the weird faces or the woman with her child clone?
  
  All the comics from the new GPT have the same style, you don't even need to pixel peep. They just all have the same art style.
  
  The font (a little bit weird-looking) and the texturing of the image (way too overdone). From that, I noticed the comic lacked a signature or watermark from a comic author, then I noticed that the characters are all just gazing into the distance.
  
  ~~Extra finger as well.~~ Damn this one was good though, would've missed it if I hadn't checked the comments and taken a closer look.
  Edit: I can't count apparently. If anything there are missing fingers.
  
  First hint was the weird fist in the first panel. Why would you clench your hand in front of someone's arm if you're trying to restrain them? It almost looks like he's holding the guy by the hair.

- the funny thing is that that's the icon for adobe illustrator.
  inkscape ftw
  
  Lol I had no idea. Works both ways tbh
- This is why I custom order all my memes direct from people on Fiverr

The good news for (most of) the pieces of shit from the 1830s and 1940s is that there wasn't a tool for us to use to name and shame.
However for this generation of fascist scum there is now the internet. And it should be used to track down and tackle the ICE scumbags. Fuck them.
Edit: Reee, AI, blah blah because, yes, that's the most horrible thing about this post. Definitely not the kidnapping and fascism. Fuck sake.
- you are on track with the right kind of thinking and the children are too busy whining about the AI. fuck the AI haters. let them say it to my face. we have bigger fish to fry. anybody that wants to get distracted like that is a liability and should be treated as such.
  
  The sentiment of the post is right, but AI is shit and we can adress smaller shit while also focussing on big shit :)
  There, said it to your internet face
- Interesting moral dilemma: is ai use acceptable if it's to spread a message like this?
  
  Is it acceptable? Honestly I don't know, it's tricky.
  It is not as if the picture is of real people that have been manipulated. Which is unacceptable . So, for me, it's down to if the op couldn't get their message across without it because, again for me, the message is far more important (at the moment).
  And AI being shoved in to everything and up everyone's arses is a problem for another day.
  What I do know is that I posted my comment then read other comments and that most of the replies that mentioned AI were just mentioning AI. Some mentioned AI and the general message of the post. Some mentioned the message, but the majority and their replies were just about the AI.
  Which, to me, means that OP's message seems to be less important.
  If op could draw themselves I don't think they would have used AI.
  A quick "fuck AI" then acknowledgement about the general meaning of the post is far more important, and on topic, than just mentioning AI.
  The general message of this post has been steam rollered by other things, and it really shouldn't be like that.
  
  Smothering the human cartoonists and content creators in an avalanche of AI slop today guarantees you won't have them tomorrow, when the AI tools are rigged to censor and pervert efforts at creating this kind of content in the future.
- Fuck sake.
  Dude. Nobody got kidnapped or fascisted over this post. But the use of AI was a real thing that actually occurred. Yes, it's perfectly appropriate for people to care about that, and some people, believe it or fucking not, can hold two things in their heart at the same time. If I can make you ignore whatever I'm actually doing just by referencing Mussolini, I have a superpower over you. And maybe people do.
  Also, fuck your low key ableism. Let "reee" die.
  
  But the use of AI was a real thing that actually occurred.
  Ya, a real artist could have gotten paid for this post!
  ... No? Get their cut off that sweet sweet Lemmy ad revenue?
  I'm confused, in what way was an artist harmed by this? The artist that didn't make this is missing out on their Internet points?
  
  You should cry more.

I approve the message! The images are just reinforcement so I don't really care if it's AI. Not everyone can draw.
- And what about the theft and abuse of creators that was required to create the AI in the first place? If we're just going to steal shit, we don't even need the AI, we can just steal shit from each other.
  
  Well, this image isn't being used commercially so no one is making money off of it. I think that seems like a fair use of AI. Similar to how people make memes with images they stole from the Internet
  
  Human artists train using other artists work. Every avenue of human endeavour is based on what came before.
  My own default style shares similarities with Barbara Canepa and Rumiko Takahashi. Why? Because, as a teen, I used to copy their stuff, trying to "unlock" the parts of it that I like.
  If I was to directly copy an image, and say it was my own, then that crosses over into stealing. But that's not what has happened here. And unless you get very specific with the prompts, it's not likely to happen.
  
  Don't we all reuse the same meme formats anyway? I don't understand this argument.
  
  just STFU dude. nobody cares

Lads here me out on this it might sound a bit harsh but I'm starting to think them fasists are cunts
- One of the few good things about WW2 is a lot of fascists died.

It's an inherent problem of the human condition, for some reason our own moral compass becomes dysfunctional once the authority and therefore responsibility is with someone else. It's the reason the Stanford Prison Experiment went so wrong once the professor took influence; we're not inherently evil, we (as a species) are just drawn to the current ruleset as dictated by our social group or idol of choice, especially if we get convinced it's somehow necessary.
Obviously not trying to abolish any guilt here, people are still responsible for what they're doing.
In the end we need way higher quality of education globally, better social security, rethink society (don't have children be on their own and make parents constantly burned out, god damn it) as well as political systems so they are designed to prevent any definition of an in- and out-group. Protections for who, what, where and how people are are great, and stuff like Germany's Article 1 is a good start, but it needs to go way further.
We need to design an environment that allows us humans to become more than we currently are if we ever want to get out of this cycle.
- Not to burst your bubble but
  Stanford Prison Experiment
  was a total hoax:
  https://www.nine.com.au/entertainment/viral/stanford-prison-experiment-faked-say-people-involved/4a1833c2-ff70-4813-8727-7458d4652b8e
  
  It confirms claims Zimbardo pushed participants towards the results he wanted, something he has disputed.
  That's actually what I referred to, although I indeed didn't know know about the other statements by participants. Only knew about someone in Stanford digging through the files and realizing Zimbardo fucked everything up by pushing towards a certain outcome. Mmh…
  I still stand with my statements about what we should do better though.
- Stanford Prison Experiment
  Why mention that aborted, flawed experiment that's difficult to replicate when experiments have been concluded & replicated with consistent results? Pop culture buzz?
  Meta-analyses of the Milgram experiments found that despite expressing discomfort or needing reassurance or hearing the screams of "shock recipients", 61% of subjects would yield to an authority's commands to administer shocks they understand are lethal. All participants would administer shocks until the recipient becomes unresponsive. Subjects who refused to administer fatal shocks wouldn't insist on terminating the experiment or leave to check on the victim.
  It seems pretty clear from findings like this that people are probably ill-equipped & overconfident about their ability to defy authority & most will perform atrocities they disagree with (ie, "just follow orders"). Unless they've been tested themselves, I think people need to drop the presumption that they wouldn't do what science has consistently demonstrated people when tried do. This, by the way, all supports what you're saying.

Saw this on a thread a while back:
The funny and sad thing is I think the original panel was showing American imperialism against historical Nazi facism (soldier attire), so it was very easily repurposed for the next ethnostate of Israel with the Nazi flag being redundant against the very obvious German soldier.

Fascist: "We're just following orders."
Liberal: "Court orders?"
Fascist: "Shut up and get in the van."
Liberal: "Okay, but I'm going to post a frowny face about it on Twitter."

if you work for ICE I think your views already align with theirs
- To be fair, the nazi guy also looks like he's in the SS.

AI slop aside, I'm not even sure most of the people who slaughtered natives were just following orders (in many cases there probably weren't even orders)... Manifest Destiny was pretty ingrained at the time.

This didn't ring my AI bells at all. Oof…
- Same here. What are the signs here?
  
  I left another comment down there somewhere, but here's something
  The most obvious tell to me is that it looks more like a filter than a real drawing. So far all AI drawings look like this. There's also details that I was able to pick apart:
  Why did the artist choose to draw everyone gazing into nowhere in particular, and not for example at each other?
  People have detailed faces, but their expressions seem unrelated to the message. Same applies to positions.
  The concentration camp victim is especially scared of something offscreen while the SS officer holding his shoulders, as if he was protecting this small man..?
  The artist chose to very clearly display the sheriff holding his fist in front of the native american, but for no apparent reason. Same for ICE.
  Why did the artist choose to use three victims in the last panel, making the composition weird and unbalanced.
  Maybe it's because of different amounts of exposure to AI stuff or something, but the only feeling I can get from this style and the empty stares is that something's just off, and I hate looking at this so much.
  
  Look at the Nazi insignia. It's all AI garbled noise.
  
  Weird eyes on the native American. The soldier/sherif is holding his braid for some reason.
  The SS officer has garbled ensignias.
  The faces of the immigrants are nearly just copy pasted.
  
  It was the eyes that gave it away for me. They look, just, wrong.
  
  That boy… oh boy… his eyes.

What's more annoying? That people have the ability to generate content with AI, or that everyone on lemmy constantly complains about it?
You're banging your heads against walls over and over. Stop. Shut up.
- The second one

I wonder if Germans were this nonchalant about Hitler rising to power.
- basically… they made fun of him a lot and thought he was ridiculous too….
- Nope, there was plenty of street violence and demonstrations during the Weimar Republic. After Jan 1933, there were over 40 assassination attempts against the Little Fucking Austrian Corporal.

I get that Lemmy foams at the mouth whenever AI is involved, but why are there multiple comments calling this AI? Text is all correct, fingers are all correct, am I missing something?
- I think it is, look at the SS badges of the SS officer. And the artstyle in general is a tell.
- There are a lot of "you can tell by the way it is" type comments so I'll be specific. Zoom in on the eyes of the Native American. Observe how the Union officer isn't really gripping his arm with that hand. The little boy in the final panel is missing eye details.
  There are some other telling details but those jump out right away.
- The entire "art style" reeks of ai. Just look at those faces. It looks more like a filter than a drawing.
  I think the uncanny look is caused by the generator being mostly trained on photos or 3d cgi instead of actual drawings.
  Edit: There's also intent, which the generator couldn't handle at all. These peoples gazes are pointing at very weird directions and their expressions don't make any sense for the scene, or for what the image is supposed to convey.
  The sheriff looks like he's being portrayed as tough, manly, and cool, while the native american is waiting for someone. The creepy SS officer is actually kind of okay, but the concentration camp victim is afraid of a scooby doo ghost. ICE dude is tired and waiting for his shift to end. The three people under him (why suddenly three?) have a "sad" expression that's more cartoony than serious.
- The new openai model is very good at all these details, so it's hard to tell. I also think this is AI i cant explain why though, it just looks AI to me.
- ChatGPT has a limited set of styles it tends to use, so once you see it a few times the rest starts looking more like AI. Text is "correct", but that font in particular really stands out to me. Very detailed styles like that are also rare if it's not AI because it would be way more work than something simple, if someone was putting in that effort the concept would probably follow the visuals more rather than the other way around, the expressions of the characters and the directions they're looking seem a little bit random like that aspect of it was an afterthought.
  Overall I actually like AI but I don't really like the way it's used here, the visuals are too goofy for the serious topic to the point where it gives off a slightly sarcastic vibe, and they don't add a lot to a concept that would probably otherwise be a screenshot of a tweet or something.
- indian guy has one eye looking up and the other eye looking down
- The way the officers hold the people makes no sense. The hands are not bad overall but if you can do five pretty well then you wouldn't suck at making the little kid's hand- it's wonky, if it were a person drawing you'd see a similar level of wonkiness on all hands not just that one. Also you would try to make things a bit more dramatic, if a person has this level of skill they probably can figure out gaze directions and enhance facial expressions a bit more to add to it.
  I wonder what the prompts were. It reminds me of Shaun Tan
- Signature is missing

Slop. Stop this shit.
- This is AI?
  
  Yes. Look at the nazi in the middle. He only has three fingers. Generally the anatomy is illogical in all three panels. Arms disappearing into nothing hands holding on to nothing eyes melting into nonsense on several characters. This wasn't drawing by a human.
  It is pretty ironic to me that someone is essentially trying to criticize the people who are currently ruining the world by using the very tech they developed to help them ruin the world. But whatever, I guess. It's convenient and that outweighs artistic integrity, cultural integrity and care for the environment. Let's just all mindlessly use these things that annihilates our planet at an even faster rate while the people whose hard work this glorified image generator steals from is being butchered and made worthless. It's good for the culture to have it become soulless slop.
  The fucking irony of them to then make an image that shows complicity and irresponsibility of the people who just did what everyone did at the time instead of resisting is a very funny meta layer that I don't think they intended. I would rather they drew that meme themselves. Stick figures if they couldn't draw. It doesn't matter. The point would come across still, but no. They just had to go use a theft machine because why actually bother when you can just press a button? Why put effort into anything anymore? Why learn a craft when the AI can do all of that for you? Viva la revolución!

They should all have families

ICE: "I'm following orders and also love doing this shit!"

Why isn't the SS guy saying, "ich folge nur Befehlen" I think he might be a spy

Except just following orders can no longer keep you from getting convicted.
- The entire republican party leadership begs to differ.

I see everyone has addressed the AI slop part of it, but it also doesn't need the labels at the bottom. Let's not treat the readers like they're stupid.
- If readers weren't stupid maybe we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with

Facts.

Wonky-ass gen slop. It looks terrible.

Oh damn. Well let me live in your house rent free. Yall pay for my food and anything I want then
- What? Who's trying you love in your house?
- Maybe we wouldn't have millions of people trying to live here if we hadn't systematically destabilized half of latin america. We're reaping what we've sown.
  Fuck off with this fascist apologia.
  
  Yeah go cry those words to your mommy, loser.