Hamas official says group is open to discussions over truce with Israel

- If they wipe out Gaza that's 2.2million people to be "clear cut". That's not a good look no matter how much good PR a side has
  
  Honestly the question is would anybody care enough to do something about it? I see headlines everyday finger wagging at bigwigs all across the world but nothing actually gets done to them.
  
  They've been murdering Palestinians for decades already. And nobody gave a shit, why would they start now?
  
  Now wipe out Hamas, that's something I could get behind. All the best for the rest of Palestine.
  edit: and someone actually downvoted me for not supporting child murdering terrorists. World's gone to shit.
- What Hamas did requires a response from Israel, and no amount of "truce now, k?" will be work. It's sad, but the only course for Israel is to hit back, and hard. Anything less would be bending over and showing Hamas can do this again.
  In other words, you can't stab a person, and then go "whoa stahp" when the bleeding guy pulls a bigger gun on you.
  Bystanderd will be hurt, but I hope it will be over quick and afterwards there can be a path towards something better.
  Before you engage with what I said, be sure to read up on https://lemmy.world/comment/4385358
  I wish Hamas could be eradicated, it would be the single best step for Palestine, and not far behind, Israel and the rest of the world.
- I'm not expecting a clear cut, what I'm expecting is the annexation of the western edge of Gaza to gain effective control over all points of entry to be able to raise siege whenever they decide Gaza is being a problem.
  After enough sieges trading in Gaza will become so costly just from risk assessment of having goods seized by the IDF that Gaza will have nothing left but the fish they're able to get out of the Mediterranean. Anyone sending them weapons would be doing so at significant loss, and while running the risk of being put on international blast whenever they get caught.
  
  Yeah having a slave labor force for manual labor has been pretty useful and I'm sure Israel isn't in a rush to completely get rid of that.
- Hamas has a lot of hostages now, including some high value ones from the IDF. They also severely humiliated the Israeli military and intelligence apparatus, reminding the world that Israel is not invulnerable and demonstrating that Hamas is a more formidable force than ever, which will help them get more international support. I think Hamas is in a strong position to secure concessions from Israel.
  
  You'd be quite wrong to think that.

A senior Hamas official said the group is open to discussions over a possible truce with Israel, having "achieved its targets."
Yep, Hamas managed to entrench both sides in their fucking atrocity competition, so Hamas and the Israeli right-wing can both hang onto power by the fear and hatred stirred in their populations. Great. Same time again next year?
Fucking scumsuckers.
- After what happened, I don't think Israel is going to allow Hamas to hang on to power. They are not going to allow Gaza to ever again be in a position to attack Israeli citizens, and that's going to come at the cost of a lot of innocent Palestinians.
- Sounds just like Putin saying they're open to talks.

Just as a little reality check for all Hamas "fans" (Hamas not Palestine!!) out here which are actually comparing them to Israel or openly defending them. The Hamas is founded on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are a fairytale full of antisemitism and proven, false statements about Jews and how they are responsible for every bad thing that happens during the centuries and their diabolical plot for world domination (of course one of the favorite lecture of the Nazis)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
Those idiots are really believing this fairytale and they use it to justify the murder of innocent people and Jews in general. So the next time you step in in defense of the Hamas or when you compare them to Israel, keep in mind that they are doing this because they believe in some antisemitic fairytale written by a crazy Russian back in the old days...they are basically Scientology only more degenerated and more violent.
- You should also be asking the question--are Lemmy developers anti-semtic?
  This whole situation has seriously caused me to reconsider a great many things about Lemmy. I can't support lemmy, at all, if they are pro-murdering terrorist (Hamas, ISIS, et al). The lemmy.ml instance (run by the developers) has serious foundational issues and to me, I am wondering who it is that is writing this software, and who is paying them.
  
  Just block lemmy.ml - who cares what the devs think. It's an open source project.
  
  If you were genuinely curious one of the devs has a massive manifesto. No need to speculate I’m pretty sure it covers every topic known to man.
  I don’t recall seeing anything particularly antisemitic but I was honestly so dumbfounded I wouldn’t know where to start looking.
  
  can you elaborate on this? I wonder if the situation is any other on a platform like reddit so I suppose it's the people not the platform
  
  Okay, then go back to reddit then
  
  Please state your sources..
- oh fuck right off with this poor attempt to derail the conversation! you know exactly what i'm talking about when I use the term antisemitism...
  
  I want you to talk to 50 different people and ask them what "antisemitism" means. See how many even mention Arabs.
  
  Arabic is a semitic language. This is like saying Bengalis and Irish folks are both of the same clade because Gailge and Bangla are both IE languages.

Real Putin energy here.

- They've been living under an Israeli siege for over a decade and had a mature enough intelligence apparatus to plan a highly coordinated assault while living in a surveillance state.. If you don't think this wasn't a calculated informed attack you've got your head up your ass.
  I'm not condoning indiscriminate killing and rape of civilians and taking hostages, I also don't condone the inhumane siege of Gaza that has been happening for decades. 50% of Gaza is under 18. That's not because they're popping out kids, its because you just don't survive that long in that kind of environment, those are also deaths. Not graphic ones that make headlines, but lives were still lost. Its incredibly hypocritical to assume Israel's shit don't stink in this situation either.
  I'm also queasy when I read the coverage of the recent attacks by Hamas, I also haven't been living in a police state. Not saying this is the most effective way that they can achieve their objectives, but I can understand how someone growing up seeing violence, sickness and malnutrition for completely preventable reasons dehumanizes the people they see as being the cause of their situation and join or support an organization like Hamas.
  
  Also, when Palestinians resist against Israel, I'm not sure many people are informed about the differences between what Israel's actions are and the narrative it gives out. An example would be found in this Haaretz article covering how Israel systematically hides evidence of Arab expulsion.
  
  I do think that Israel should stop its colonization of the West Bank, cease the blockade, and work towards a two state solution. But my sympathy is with the Palestinian people. I have absolutely no sympathy for hamas after what they have done and they deserve what will happen next.
- I'll just leave this here.
  
  I’ve said this before in this same thread but I will say it again: I think Israel needs to end the blockade of Gaza, withdraw from the West Bank, end the settlement policy, and negotiate with the Palestinian authority. But I have no sympathy for Hamas after what they have done and I hope they are completely destroyed as an organization.
- Your claims about babies and women have not yet been confirmed as factual.
  Washington post
  Business insider
  
  Man people downvoting you cause they literally just want their echo chamber and not facts.
  Yeah, I would bet rumors have spread through soldiers trying to one up each other on how terrible Hamas is, but where there is smoke their might be fire.

We took hostages so now you should negotiate rather than genocide the entire Gaza strip.
Yeah, good luck with that.
- So you're saying Israel should glass the entire strip? Ok, got it.
  Because collective punishment is totally ok and definitely NOT a war crime.
  
  It's not going to be a collective punishment. But also there won't be any negotiation this time. That train has left the station long time ago.

LMAO come on, guess they didn't expect the IDF to fight back 🤷🏽
- Taking a shit in the public water supply, getting roughed up as people demand to know why you just shat in the only watersource, and then you tell them to chill and that you "got your point across" lmao.

Yeah sorry Hamas, no takesy backsies when you just murdered a bunch of civilians at a peace festival.
It's like your brother just stole your favourite toy and then he's like "ok now we can have a truce".
- This claim has not yet been confirmed.
  Washington post
  Business insider
  
  Atrocity propaganda, the journalist tweeted that they overheard that from a soldiers conversation and reported it as fact.
  No evidence yet it is true.
- Except the toy was yours to begin with and your brother has been rubbing the fact he was able to steal it with outside support in your face while actively stealing more of your toys and you finally stood up and took it back from him.
  Don't commit genocide if you don't want your own people genocided
  
  It is so much more complicated than that. Both sides have done horrible things, but this last provocation was completely offside.
- No evidence of 250 dead. Only videos of people running away and Israeli eye witnesses saying resistance fighters were kind to them.
  Nice atrocity propaganda though.

I think he mean in the sense of hostage negotiations.
Practically speaking he's right, Hamas got what they wanted by doing a day of raids for some bullet spray kills, a few IDF outposts, and taking hostages for negotiating power.
Whether or not Israel will actually decide to negotiate for anything is another thing lol.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're way past the line.

Hamas fucked around, is finding out, and want to talk "truce?" What does a truce with a bunch of genocidal terrorists look like?
- Not carpet bombing the Gaza strip, where 2 and a half million palestinians live I'd imagine.
  
  If Israel was carpet bombing the Gaza Strip, we wouldn't see hundreds dead. We would see hundreds of thousands dead.
- Good question, should ask Israel the same thing.
- Hamas fucked around and innocent arab palestinians are finding out.
  
  Well, Hamas is who those innocent Palestinians chose to be their government

Lol no way; Hamas needs to be wiped out completely. They can never, ever, be trusted and will just do this shit again in the future.
- But Israel is allowed to murder men, women and children and steal homes, land for decades right?
  Hypocrisy at its finest.
  Yeah, what Hamas did is entirely wrong but don’t forget that Israel been oppressing Palestinians for decades.
  
  Hypocrisy at its finest.
  Nope. I don't support Israel doing that either. However, Hamas will never tolerate peace. They will never allow a 2-state compromise; they want Israel completely gone. And Israel is allowed to defend it's borders. There is no happy ending here for anyone.
  
  Maybe I'm ignorant, but isn't hammas a terrorist group? If so fuck them, but keep Palestine alone.
- I mean yeah it'd be great if you could just do that. But how would you? And more importantly, how is the state of Israel proposing to get rid of Hamas? What actions are they taking right now with that aim? They're bombing palestinians. Just random indiscriminate bombing. How exactly would that eliminate Hamas? Their plan is just to kill as many palestinians as they can, Netanyahu has said himself he plans to "turn Gaza into a desert island" and his defense minister has said "our enemies are human animals". It's plain as day what they plan to do.
  
  Yes I'm aware of what Israel is doing. No, I don't know of any better ways to get rid of Hamas.
- Same, but the IDF
- Wipe them away. Fucking monsters.
  Have you seen the videos of abducted children in cages? Hamas must be removed.
  
  Have you seen the video of the American dude from NY going to Palestine and stealing a Palestinian's house?

This is the best summary I could come up with:
Oct 9 (Reuters) - A senior Hamas official said the group is open to discussions over a possible truce with Israel, having "achieved its targets."
Moussa Abu Marzouk told Al Jazeera in a phone interview that Hamas was open to "something of that sort" and "all political dialogues" when asked whether the Islamist group is willing to discuss a possible ceasefire.
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  This is the best summary I could come up with:
  Oct 9 (Reuters) - A senior said Israel achieved its targets in a phone interview.
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Let's try this conversation again in 2 weeks.

Exchange prisoners for Hamas leaders, make Hamas say outright that they see Palestinian lives as lesser than their own.
If they actually have enough spine to take the deal, start a whole new Nuremberg trial and purge everyone down to the "just following orders" grunts and rebuild from there.
- Revisionist history: https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/17/world/meast/israel-prisoner-swap-explainer/index.html

Oh man, look I don’t want to get into picking sides or whatever and it’s extremely cold hearted to look at is so frankly… but.
Israel is going to completely annex all of Palestine by force and fully occupy them even more than before…
They are already fully mobilising everything and looking steamroll anything that can’t get out of the way or that stands and fights.
The general vibe I’m seeing is they will do their best to straight up crush everything once and for all, while they feel they have the geo political cover to probably get away with it.
So many people are going to die.

I hope every piece of shit Hamas son of a bitch feels every rocket blast, every bullet, and every knife that's coming for them.
- Hopefully just the Hamas bitches