"It was a peace rave!" Then why did it have to be next to the open-air prison suffering from starvation and disease?
"It was a peace rave!" Then why did it have to be next to the open-air prison suffering from starvation and disease?
Also, it's not that relevant but as far as I know it was never described officially as a rave for "peace". Even old promotional material doesn't.
They described it as "a journey of unity and love" as well as, I quote, a celebration of "friends, love and infinite freedom".
A celebration of infinite freedom a few hundred meters from an open air prison
Sleepy Biden repeated that they were music goers celebrating peace like 3 times.
And illegal drugs no doubt
To anyone who has ever been to a rave before, this is usual raver selling chatter. As much as I generally enjoy EDM and all of it's accompanying genres, I genuinely dislike the universal adoption of the superfluous language that was originally used to encourage people to come out and dance in areas that were considered 'abandoned' and 'condemned' to music made by people who were considered the castoffs of society. It all rings hollow when it is just rich kids at a club sponsored by a weapons manufacturer.
It's one of my favorite parts of Disco Elysium, but as much as we want to separate the dance from reality, the dance still exists there.
Burners doing burner things. Gotten tired of people telling me that we can solve world hunger with good enough management without ever mentioning that capitalism FUCKING NECESSITATES PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN POVERTY. Like, I get that they want to feel good about themselves, but there is so much cognitive dissonance going on that it is no wonder they snack on psychedelics like candy.
If it was random, not-explicitly-nazi germans who were having a picnic outside Auschwitz and got merked by escaped prisoners, I'd still be like "yeah maybe you weren't soldiers, but "
They were just peaceful lebensraum settlers.
Ultimately I would still say the blame is to be laid 100% on the regime that put people in the concentration camps, not the people who escaped from them.
I hate how they keep framing this as "omg peaceful party-goers just massacred by savage orcs!" totally side-stepping all of the history that's lead up to this day and why this attack happened.
History only begins when the bad guys decide to do an evil
Nazis also went to parties
Sleepy Biden repeated that it was a rave celebrating peace like 3 times.
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This "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is going really fucking hard right now. All it would take is to not tolerate intolerance and not put a timeline on someone else's freedom and you could have good foreign policy. Millions of people die for bullshit. It's fucking bullshit. And what do we get in return? Cheap plastic? Rush hour traffic? What the fuck???
Sorry chief but a better world isn't possible and if you try to make one you'll just end up eating everyone's grain with a giant spoon.
Why is the z black
Get past censors, likely. At least enough to dodge some bots.
Auschwitz was a literal death camp. Stop normalizing the Shoa
this is the animal zoo for the SS children at KZ buchenwald , dehumanization is a central issue.
Israel learned one thing from the Holocaust: You can get away with it if you do it really slowly.
Amerikkka with the ICE camps and the prison slaves too
Thank you. I'm not Jewish but it pisses me off when people downplay or try to normalize the holocaust. You show a kid those bodies stacked like cordwood and I guarantee their first question wouldn't have anything to do with ethnicity or religion or anything like that. They'd want to know why all those people are dead and who killed them.
I like how we've gone from "false flag" and "misinformation" to "it was justified". Fuck the Israeli government, but I can't get on board with deliberately pixelating bystanders, no matter what side is doing it. There was no message here, no tactical goal was achieved, it's just misery for misery's sake.
I'm sorry if the desperate, terrified inhabitants of a open air prison don't have a coordinated enough strategy for you. I'm sorry that in their misery they only have revenge in mind.
The terrified inhabitants are still in the Gaza Strip, and I fear for their lives in the face of an impending land invasion of the strip. Hamas fighters are an organized militia and I will judge them and their actions differently than I will unarmed civilians. Stop equating all Palestinians with Hamas - that is exactly what Israel wants.
Personally I'd just choose to not go to the dance party on stolen land in the apartheid state, and in particular I would avoid the dance party taking place mockingly close to the people being genocided in an open air prison.
I mean, as an American who knows our history, you're basically asking me to will myself out of existence. I didn't choose to be born here, and they didn't choose to be born there. I can accept that having a rave is insensitive, but the whole goddamned world is on fire. The ice caps are melting, microplastics are in everything, governments suck, and I can't really blame folks for wanting to do something besides watch the motherfucker burn.
Haven't seen cries of misinformation or false flag at all. From the getgo the take has been yes it is brutal, but if anyone is to blame for Hamas' actions, it is those who created those circumstances: Israel and the western regimes that have supported it since its modern inception.
Palestine has a right to self determination against colonial settlers. A theocratic and violent response is what you get when you treat an opposing religion and ethnicity like animals for decades.
As such, we support them in their struggle.
Idk if that's been explicit in everyone from the get go. I watch video and look at photos of war (probably to my own detriment) and I have seen many comments here and on those videos directly from people who are outright happy and gleefull at seeing people "getting what they deserve" for going to a rave where they did.
I understand that a theocratic and violent response is to be expected but it doesn't mean it is something I need to specifically support and be mean to potential grieving relatives about. My empathy doesn't get used up entirely on the Palestinians, it is proportional to me.
The real world is messy and I get in principle and when speaking broadly that armed resistance is justified but I personally am not going to accept people on my side of politics using rhetoric that excuses or celebrates the sort of carnage I'm seeing.
(That said, I agree with what you said as far as your own beliefs and takes)
No, I thought it was justified to begin with, loser.
I like how
Smug posters stop prefacing sentences in the "I like how"/"it's funny that"/"it's interesting that" format challenge. Difficulty level: "It's almost as if"
Innocent bystanders don't attend raves in sight of history's largest concentration camp, I don't know what bizarre pseudo-morality you're working with but if you help glorify a modern-day Nazi ghetto you deserve whatever comes to you
I was saying it was justified from the beginning, idk what ya'll talking about
I like how we've gone from "false flag" and "misinformation"
I don't remember seeing anyone saying that. Could you link a handful of examples?
Is there any actual proof it happened?
I hadn't seen anything on Hexbear or Lemmy but I did see it a few times on Twitter trying to find combat updates
Didn't plan ahead for the inevitable request for receipts, unfortunately. It was on one of the posts about the girl being taken off on motorcycle, some people were suggesting it was staged or actually Israelis doing it.
You don't think a tactical goal was acheived? I've gone out of my way not to talk about this because the whole thing literally makes me sick to my stomach, but this was absolutely a tactical victory for Hamas. No two ways about it, they got exactly what they wanted and I'm sure there's more to come
I like how we've gone from "false flag" and "misinformation" to "it was justified".
maybe on lemm.ee but we've been consistent on this the whole time