2y ago

Thousands rally in London in solidarity with Palestinians

www.france24.com

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Protest for Palestine: They throw you in jail
Protest for Israel:
Anyone not seeing the colonial world order as fascist at this point is well beyond redemption.
- Prolly referencing the article about France from yesterday
- Is a protest for palestinians a protest for Hamas? What Hamas did to free palestinians or make them safe from Israel's agression?
  
  Is a protest for palestinians a protest for Hamas? No. No, it's not.
  Next question.
  
  They did the only thing they could.
  What would you recommend they do?

It is good to show solidarity with Palestinians - it is not acceptable to cheer for Hamas on the other hand.
If you are able to differentiate between Hamas and the Palestinians and Israeli government and Israeli people your moral compass still somewhat works.
- That's right, Gazans should peacefully protest for their rights.
  More than 6,000 unarmed demonstrators were shot by military snipers, week after week at the protest sites by the separation fence.
  Wait not like that
  
  From the article:
  The Commission found that Israeli Security Forces killed 183 of these protesters with live ammunition. Thirty-five of these fatalities were children, while three were clearly marked paramedics, and two were clearly marked journalists.
- Seems to me that if people don't want to get killed by Hamas, they could simply try not doing 80 years of genocide.
- https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/massacre-of-settlers-by-native-print-collector.jpg
  You can support indigenous people without cheering on the raiders. /s
  Anticolonialism isn't just a word. Read Wretched of the Earth by Fanon.
  It is a shame how many children were killed. It was very irresponsible for Israel to prop up a fundamentalist group to sideline the PLO, and then for settler parents to bring their children right next to the world's largest open air concentration camp.
- This is all one big exercise in independence.
  I'm glad we're seeing people actually have independent thought instead of just rushing to say whatever will make them fit in with their tribe.
- What's wrong with supporting Hamas? Are there any other groups fighting the zionists?

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free

- When you poke a caged dog for nearly a century and it bites your hand off, only a fool would act surprised.
- Both sides elect people that are OK with their people dying for their own government policies. One attacks to oppress an apparant enemy, the other attacks to free themselves from oppression. They are not the same, yet innocent people suffer and die because of both.
  
  More than half of the people alive in Palestine were too young to vote in their last election.
  
  @Szymon I agree with this apart from the "elect" part. Hamas last won an election in 2006, with less than half the vote.
  Gaza hasn't held an election in over 17 years and the majority of its population are too young to have voted then.
  
  Meanwhile all citizens just want to live their lives in peace.
  It really is tragic and frustrating.
  
  There has not been an election by Palestine in Gaza for roughly 17 years. Hamas isn't exactly democratic.
- Yeah, but I don't blame them. It was either that or let Israel increase oppression.
- Would you choose a slow guaranteed death through oppression or risk a possible quick death for a better life for all your family and friends?
  I'm asking you. Not your opinion of a whole population. I'm asking you. Imagine yourself in that camp, being bombed daily. What do you choose to do to survive and thrive as a human?
  
  There was no guaranteed death, things were very difficult and would have continued to be for a long time. At least there was hope.
  Now there is a guaranteed death, thanks to Hamas.
  “for a better life” in this case the leveling of the entire Gaza Strip and the obliteration of ANY hope of self governance?
- There is no Hamas without Israel's oppression.
- #1 rule of the internet: always discard everything before the ", but"

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