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Sooo are you one of the people who will then in the same breath deny that this is also the goal of Hamas?
Actually, yes. Throw the word "terrorist" around as much and as ignorantly as you want, but the extremism of groups like Hamas has its roots in the decades of zionism running rampant and killing thousands of their people every year.
Yep, there it is :D Can you do me a favor please and go back LARPing in /pol/?
Lol, you have no idea who you’re talking to, do you. It’s funny how libs’ only argument against leftists is “actually, you’re just like the guy over there [who’s on the opposite side of the political spectrum and has almost no views in common.]
No one (sane) is defending the Hamas, merely noting that when your counter terror operation has managed to kill more innocents than the terrorists maybe you should stop and rethink your operation a little bit. If some people break into your house and hold you at gunpoint while they fire a rpg that gets shot down by an active defense system, i don’t think that you’ll be very happy the the governments only response is to blow up your house a half hour after they’ve left.
Clearly both sides want the other wholly and completely gone. That is, the extremist leaders. I'm sure the viewpoints across the general public varies wildly on both sides and is fed by their own internal propaganda.
My question is, why do any of us outside that region care? If you are not from that region, or do not have some kind of ties to that region, then why should anyone care so much what they do to each other? And I don't care about religion. "Oh its a religious area so Christians care or something." That doesn't justify meddling over there.
I care about all the people everywhere at all times.
Peoples humanity and worthiness to continue existing does not decrease in inverse proportion to their proximity to me.
It's exhausting to be concerned about suffering. It's literally happening everywhere all the time for so many things. There's an endless stream of bad news where people are suffering and those in charge aren't really doing anything at all.
My question is, why do any of us outside that region care?
Hmmm maaaybe it's because of the immeasurable amount of human suffering amongst the civilians in that region? What the fuck kind of question is that??
Imagine not understanding suffering that isn’t directly impacting your life to such a degree.
Uh huh. So why THIS specific conflict? I never saw this much rage and posting and commentary for other issues of suffering like the Uyhgurs or however it's spelled. And this isn't what about ism. We could bring up what's gone on with South Sudan for a long time as well. Or we can bring up significant local issues for various commenters.
It sure seems people at large cared about Ukraine because they're mostly Caucasian and feel like a "western" country. People mostly care about this Israel Hamas issue it seems for religious reasons or to take a political stance (which is indirectly deeply rooted in religion).
I have empathy and sympathy for many things that dont directly impact me. I don't have to for literally everything. Not being sure if I care about THIS conflict, or being skeptical at the extreme coverage it gets, doesn't mean I'm devoid of give a shit.
This specific conflict because it’s about a colonized people liberating themselves from a highly geo-strategically important fascist regime. This conflict isn’t about religion. It’s about colonialism. I’m agnostic and many Palestinians are Jewish or Christian. Most of the Zionists are secular and don’t even care about the Torah, they just want to colonize. There are also many Jews who oppose “Israel.” I care about this conflict because “Israel is doing collective punishment by indescriminately killing civilians and the fall of this apartheid entity would be a major blow to the US empire.