Israel to Release Footage, Recordings in Gaza Hospital Explosion
Israel to Release Footage, Recordings in Gaza Hospital Explosion
Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a briefing early Wednesday morning that no Israeli strike, either by air, land or sea, occurred near Al-Ahli Arab Hospital at the time of the deadly explosion. He added that drone footage, radar information and a recording of Gaza militants indicate a
Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said in a briefing early Wednesday morning that no Israeli strike, either by air, land or sea, occurred near Al-Ahli Arab Hospital at the time of the deadly explosion. He added that drone footage, radar information and a recording of Gaza militants indicate a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket was responsible.
He said the Israeli military would soon publish the radar info, footage and a recording of militants in Gaza assigning blame to Islamic Jihad, a group aligned with Hamas. All the information, Hagari said, would be given to President Biden as part of a "full briefing" when the U.S. leader arrives in Israel Wednesday.
Palestinian Ambassador to the U.N. Riyad Mansour accused Israel of carrying out the strike, calling Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a liar for blaming the strike on the armed group Islamic Jihad. “Now they change the story to try to blame the Palestinians. It is a lie,” Mansour said during a press conference at the U.N. headquarters.
Edit: From the IDF’s official Telegram Channel
IDF: A failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization hit the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City
Attached is a video from the IAF system that captured the area around the hospital before and after the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization: https://bit.ly/3M5oQMI
IDF: Following the briefing by the IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari on the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization that hit the hospital in Gaza City:
Attached is the briefing: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362
Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG
Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854
Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672
Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984
Following the recording that was sent out, attached is a transcript of the conversation between Hamas operatives: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC181020238465
This was 6 days ago.
More bombs in 6 days than a year in Afghanistan. And it's been a further 6 days.
Why are they even bothering to deny they did this when they're the ones bombing Gaza over and over.
Why are we talking and not doing? Just release it already if it's vindicating.
Need time to fabricate it first
Just admit that your mind is made up and there is no possible evidence that would change it.
Forging takes time
Ok great. Do it.
I'd be very interested to see their evidence, especially given the initial claim that they hit the hospital because HAMAS were there. The video that I saw shows a fuck off huge explosion, and I'd be very surprised to learn that a Jihadist group's rocket did that. AFAIK, most of their rockets are anti-personnel and anti-armor grade, stuff a little like what the HIMARS carries, not shit that's going to level half a hospital in one go. I mean, unless they're just casually rocking Tomahawk cruise missiles or something, it just seems like a big reach.
Do you have a source for this initial claim? The only one I have seen is a random tweet by a wannabe Israel fanatic influencer, and not at all an official statement.
This is what I was directed towards:
Other than things that could be explosive in a hospital normally (O2 canisters), Hamas has been known to use hospitals to store munitions and launch rocket strikes in the past. While I'm not saying "Israel definitely didn't do it" I don't think it's out of the question or even unlikely that it genuinely wasn't an Israeli strike
Of course, both possibilities exist. With the information we have currently, it's not possible to definitively say either way.
The other possibility being it was Israel but was a mistake.
There was also a video clip I saw that starts with a chain link fence and then you hear a sort of whistling sound and something slams down hard with a pretty big explosion. Ofc I'm not sure it's verified or not but sounded and looked more like the impact of something like a JDAM instead of what you'd expect from the rockets fired by Hamas/Islamic jihad. Which although I understand are deadly, especially in large numbers, I don't think have the explosive charge anywhere close to the impact in the video (which also seems immediate and not a bunch of secondary explosions.)
I would like to see this evidence. The flipping of stories from Israeli spokespeople right after the event to now is bizarre. There were a number of people, even initial US government responses, saying that the hospital was a Hamas hideout, so Israel blew it up on purpose and it's a good thing.
Also, why do they just so happen to have audio recordings of this specific terrorist group talking about this event in particular within an hour or so after the event? Is that a likely thing for them to have acquired?
If you don’t trust the Israeli government, the whole thing was live-streamed. https://nitter.net/COUPSURE/status/1714380403782324249
That footage was subsequently rebroadcast on Al-Jazeera.
There’s a number of other angles you can find on the birdsite too.
And yes, if someone was talking about it on a radio, I’d expect Israeli sigint to pick it up. This is not their first rodeo. They’ve been the occupying power in Gaza for 56 years. That’s what made the Hamas massacre so shocking: how on earth did they miss the planning for two years.
Did Israel have anything to say about this?
That is a very tiny hospital. I can't imagine it fitting more than 150 people in it, tops.
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Critics of Israel aside, it's worrysome that ppl consider Hamas their team.
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honestly outside of israel and palestine it’s worrisome that anyone considers either side their team
its a super complex situation and both sides are fucking monstrous, but inside either country it becomes real simple: the other side legitimately might end specifically my life through nothing but random misfortune
outside of that, i don’t see how anyone can think there’s 1 side that’s in the right
Okay I actually made the effort to listen to the Audio and took a look at those photos.
The two men in the audio recording are talking about a misfire that happened directly behind the hospital - from a nearby cemetery to be exact.
On the other hand there is a picture attached that shows a rocket launch site that is quite a long way from the Hospital - or is this the cemetery those men in the voice recording were talking about?
https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984
It does not seem to be the right picture…
The idea being presented is that Islamic Jihad was aiming for Israel, but miscalculated and hit a part of the hospital instead. Militants in Gaza absolutely have the capability to fire missiles from that range, so this idea isn’t a big stretch. Whether you believe the claim is up to you.
Crosspost from another similar thread:
So this here is the current view on the area where supposedly about 500 people died. Also there are allegedly more than 300 wounded.
Questions I personally have:
- where is the rubble and where is the bomb crater?
- why does the building seem undamaged?
- how do you fit 800 people in this parking lot?
Yeah, you can't. That parking lot accommodates what, 20 cars? That should tell you all you need to know.
Edit - I just checked on Google Earth. The entire outdoor area hit by the rocket is 2,000 m2 including all of the parking and landscaped area.
That is 21,000 SF or ~1/2 an acre.
While you could fit more than 500 people in that area, you would have to remove the cars and pack people in like a stadium or mosh pit. At the same time, this is at a hospital.
However, most of the small buildings that make up this hospital are on the far side of the compound, hundreds of feet away. And that is where I would expect most of the people to be.
I think we need more confirmation otherwise I would not take this number at face value.
Crowdcrush at astroworld - 1.85 ft2/person
Your estimated density - 42 ft2/person
Oof. Ngl the recording is pretty telling. But it is just secondhand evidence.
The evidence presented from the recording is: someone said the shrapnel is from a Palestinian rocket." Not, "here are images of the shrapnel, which could only come from Palestinian rockets."
I haven't looked at the other evidence though. It could be that this, combined with the rest of the evidence, paints a more complete picture.
This is what I was thinking of looking for. I know in the Ukraine conflict, they typically show rocket debris when going over incidents with rockets, so I was hoping to see some of the supposed debris here.
I'll just leave this here with the warning that the "graphic video" shows dead babies and blown up people so you may want to skip that one.
One of the other videos is of the impact. You can clearly hear a projectile before the explosion. I'm not claiming to know who fired it.
If you take The Electronic Intifada at face value, I really don’t know what to tell you. They are one of the most biased news outlets possible in this conflict. I’ve never one seen them once try to understand the Israeli perspective. It’s pure propaganda.
Fore example, their headline for Hamas’ brutal attack on Irsaeli civilians was “Israel-Arab normalization has not eliminated the resistance.”
@DolphinMath@slrpnk.net It looks like the copy/pasta here might run afoul of the rules regarding copyright.
Consider editing it down to make it more concise and be guaranteed to be fair use. The topic is important and I don't want to just remove it wholesale to eliminate copyright risk.
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Was catching up on Al Jazeera English live stream on YT just now and apparently a bunch of Arab foreign ministers are saying the same thing with references to those deleted tweets before this whole Hamas blame game situation started.
I wouldn’t put this past Hamas, but IDF aren’t exactly saints either considering the fact that they are now blocking humanitarian aid from the Rafah border crossing, and are aiming for collective punishment.
I think if you're able to believe that Hamas killed 500 people at a hospital, why isn't it easier and simpler to believe Israel bombed them? Israel does it all the time... Hamas' track record of shooting its own people comes only from Israeli propaganda.
I wouldn't put it behind them either... but first and foremost my eyes will turn to the IDF. One cannot trust an apartheid state. Israel had been killing civilians in the area for over a week now... no reason to believe they would stop at a hospital given then fact that they actually damaged several medical facilities since this started in Gaza.
I believe it's this image that people are talking about.
That sounds like overly eager psychopath claiming whatever they want though. and it's a former staff.
It's also a screenshot of a tweet. Incredibly easy to fake that.
They should bomb Gaza if it turns out it was Hamas. /s
If there was a bunker under the hospital Israel wouldn't have denied the attack anyway since it would've been a legitimate military target according to conventions. So I'm fully inclined to believe that this was yet another false flag from the terrorists just like the humanitarian column gas canister explosion just to score some tankie points. They're so fucking desperate. And they never cared for civilian lives anyway.
Explain how this scores points with/ whats your definition of a tankie?
By context it seems like their definition of tankie is equivalent to woke... I.e. someone I disagree with.
This will get all the Hamas apologists screaming FAKE NEWS now, wont it. It's a bitch when reality won't conform to your belief system. Just ask the MAGA crowd.
The IDF still needs to present receipts in my opinion, and I look forward to them doing so.
Nuanced discussion and compassion seem to get lost in all the “righteous” anger surrounding this topic unfortunately.
This is my stance as well. I support the Israeli government as much as I support Hamas, which is to say I do not support either whatsoever. However, if the IDF is able to back up this claim, I'm more inclined to agree with them on this one particular whodunnit
Yet most people on lemmy seem to believe the claim of Hamas, without any proof, because it supports their hate of Israel. This is like the 10th highly upvoted article on the topic, with most comments not even questioning the claim.
It is possible that Israel did it, yes, but we don’t know it yet. IDF and Hamas both killed enough civilians already in a confirmed way, maybe let’s focus our critique on that in the meantime.
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They (israel) dropped more bombs in 2 weeks than was set off in afghanistan in a year of american assault.
Why do you think its more likely a jihad mistaken self attack?