Government says it's revealing horrific footage collected from various sources to the media in order to fight 'Holocaust-like denials' of Hamas's massacres in southern Israel
The Israeli government on Monday screened for 200 members of the foreign press some 43 minutes of harrowing scenes of murder, torture and decapitation from Hamas’s October 7 onslaught on southern Israel, in which over 1,400 people were killed, including raw videos from the terrorists’ bodycams.
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The footage was collected from call recordings, security cameras, Hamas terrorists’ body cameras, victim dashboard cameras, Hamas and victims’ social media accounts, and cellphone videos taken by terrorists, victims and first responders. Over 1,000 civilians were slaughtered by the terrorists, and at least 224 people were abducted.
In semi-related news, the IDF claim to be holding over 1000 bodies of Hamas terrorists who entered Israeli territory on October 7th.
When you have a bunch of online edgelords constantly denying atrocities, this is what's necessary, and I definitely applaud the journalists for having the stomach to watch this kind of stuff so that I don't have to.
And before someone brings it up, I know it's frustrating that truth is hard to reliably determine in war, but if your position really hinges on whether the neck of a murdered baby is intact or not, the plot has been thoroughly and utterly lost. And there are photos of burnt and bloodied dead children out there if you really care to look.
Cool, now let's see the bodycam footage from IDF soldiers.
Oh, that doesn't fill a propaganda purpose to show IDF soldiers killing civilians and children, does it?
Hey, here's a thought: there is no number of civilians killed by a terrorist organization that can justify the gov't killing of thousands of civilians and non-combatants. If Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists for murdering Israelis, then so is the whole fucking gov't of Israel for murdering Palestinian non-combatants with indiscriminate bombing.
To expand on this, if you knew that there was a murderer in a crowd of 20 people, would you say that the gov't had the right and duty to mow down that crowd with machine gun fire in order to prevent that person from killing again? Because that's what the Israeli gov't is doing.
If Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists for murdering Israelis, then so is the whole fucking gov’t of Israel for murdering Palestinian non-combatants with indiscriminate bombing.
And with the big difference that no one is asking the west to support Hamas, they're already labeled terrorists and heavily restricted, while the government of Israel wants to maintain pleasant status within the world while still doing terrorism.
"To expand on this, if you knew that there was a murderer in a crowd of 20 people, would you say that the gov't had the right and duty to mow down that crowd with machine gun fire in order to prevent that person from killing again? Because that's what the Israeli gov't is doing."
I don't feel like these morality questions do anything for anybody. It's basically a dog whistle for anyone who agrees with you because there ARE people who would mow down 20 to catch 1 killer. These idiots exist, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
If Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists for murdering Israelis, then so is the whole fucking gov’t of Israel for murdering Palestinian non-combatants with indiscriminate bombing.
If there was indiscriminate bombing, the Gaza Strip would be gone already and they would use bunker buster bombs to destroy the tunnels.
So what do you suggest that Israel should do with the constant rocket attacks still coming from Gaza? Are they supposed to ignore the continuous attacks on their civilians?
Israel also made Hamas an offer: Release all hostages and turn in the terrorists that committed the massacres on October 7th.
So it's targeted bombing that has killed 2500 children so far in this past two weeks? You're saying that Israel is intentionally targeting children? You realize that's worse, right?
I'd suggest that they return the land that they stole from Palestinians, dismantle the settlements and outposts on occupied land, and end the blockades in Gaza. And then punish their citizens that attacks Palestinians, burn Palestinian homes and olive groves, and seize Palestinian land. And hey!, maybe gave Palestinians a real vote in the knesset, since they seem so opposed to a two-state solution. As it stands, the overwhelming majority of Palestinians do not have a say in their own governance.
Are Palestinians supposed to ignore the constant attacks against them by Israelis, and by the IDF? Why do you expect Palestinians to turn the other cheek, but not Israel?
You take power from Hamas by giving the people what the people want, and what they deserve. You remove their cause of action from them. You agree to their reasonable demands, and you share power with them. You try to correct the historic injustices perpetuated against them by the Israeli government.
But Israel won't do that, because the far-right politicians that are in power--and the majority of the people that keep voting them into power--equate anything that is anti-Zionist to being anti-semitic.
We see this same thing in the US with black people, with Native Americans. When they protest peacefully, they're ignored. When they protest violently, they're thugs and murderers. There's never any real interest by those in power in correcting the injustices that led to the protests in the first place.
And here we are, in the west, justifying the atrocities that Israel is committing, has committed in the past, and will likely commit in the future, because Hamas manages to commit significantly lesser atrocities. We applaud the disproportionate responses of Israel, while condemning Hamas. We then also applaud the provocations of Israel, and condemn the responses of Hamas.
...And, of course, we pretend that Israel didn't create Hamas, because they were afraid of the growing political power of Fatah and the PLO, and the calls for a two-state solution. Kinda like how the US created what became the Taliban by funding the mujahideen...
In addition to this, the IDF spokesman noted that the army has over a thousand dead bodies and prisoners among the Hamas terrorists, and that "this figure indicates the nature of the fighting in the Otef, the heroism of the fighters, civilians and the standby units." Brigadier General Hagari added that 14 trucks with aid were brought into the Strip Humanitarian, where the emphasis is that fuel does not enter the strip. In the northern sector, the IDF eliminated eight terrorist squads that tried to launch anti-tank missiles in the last day. Since the beginning of the fighting, 20 terrorist squads of Hezbollah have been eliminated.
The number given by the same Hamas health dept that said Israel killed 500 when they bombed a hospital? Even though it wasn't Israel, it wasn't the hospital, and it wasn't nearly 500 people?
I'm sure a lot have died. And definitely too many civilians. And from where I sit, I'd think Israel should do at least some things differently. But if the hospital situation taught us nothing else, it should have taught us to not quote stuff from Hamas without another source.
I know many people who care about Israel’s subjugation of the Palestinians. That doesn’t mean I’m going to try and brush off this complete shitshow from Hamas.
Are you implying they would kill their own people in addition to those already killed so that they could make Hamas look bad as if that's a thing that needs be doing?
I’m saying I find it hard to believe that Hamas is equipping fighters with body cams to document atrocities, and I’m saying that the presentation of these videos works way too well to justify the IDF’s campaign for me to just accept it without independent corroboration. If this was being reported by Haaretz and Al Jazeera, I’d be less inclined to doubt it because neither of those outlets seem particularly inclined to unquestioningly support the Israeli government’s narrative.
I mean, when American cops present body cam footage, the first thing people look for is the edits. This footage was shown without providing journalists a way to study it further.
You know, I've always been pro immigration, being a son of an immigrant myself, and these far right arguments against immigration haven't been about immigration per se, but Muslim immigration, and after seeing the worlds left (to which I've belonged and voted for, without exception my entire adult life) turn into Islamic Terrorist Jew Killing supporters, I'm more inclined to give this "anti immigration" stance a hard look.
As in Israel, Muslims seek to murder and destroy, in the attempt to make anywhere that's not like their own Islamofacist hellholes, exactly like all their other Islamofacist hellholes, and why import or allow that to imported into Egalitarian Secular Democracy so they can try their very best to make Jews less safe (to say nothing of Homosexuals) everywhere.
I think I'm going to start to be less of a rah rah supporter of immigration, and I thank the Left for that. When you're chanting "Free Palestine" and the Jewish community who've voted lockstep Democratic in the United States is watching you, there will be far flung ramifications.
We've given the left our support, our lives in some cases like the southern freedom riders, our financial contributions, and our votes, far outpacing in percentage to any other American political block besides Black folks, for the last Hundred years.
Antisemitism gets people so worked up and turned on, the hate overwhelms their logical ability to determine truth from falsehood, even when it's presented to them, they simply refuse to believe it, and that's when the pogroms start, and when they're ignore, or excused.
Did you just whatabout an article that supports your beliefs? Whatabout hijabs? Whatabout sharia laws? Whatabout all that praying? You know, I’ve always voted for the right, but your whataboutism has me thinking I might have to give the left’s pro-immigration stance a hard look.