Just like fascists, tankies could theoretically hang out here without getting the boot. It's just that genocide denying authoritarians cannot be tolerated in a tolerant, democratic society. The reason tankies and fascists get the boot is because they can't resist trying to bully and intimidate those that find their views abhorrent. They simply can't resist being terrible.
They're cultists with views that can't stand up to scrutiny, so they need use other tactics to spread their shit and gain power. They use the real downsides and weaknesses of democracy to argue we need an even worse system. Then they argue you actually hold the worst views of their enemies, even though they usually support exactly the same things that make those enemies bad. Tankies claim you're a free-market liberal for opposing them, when the countries they support are state capitalists. Fascists claim you're against freedom of speech, while they are always trying to ban ideas they hate. Some of them are misguided and believe their own lies, but others are just awful people.
The fact that y'all think Tankies are a bigger problem than Nazis shows just how out of touch y'all are. Tankies aren't infiltrating the Democrat party, Tankies just want to LARP as revolutionaries online while never doing any real Praxis. All while White Supremacists and Nazis are actively pushing the great replacement theory and other bigotry with great effect in the Republican Party. Blahaj zone 196 is the worst 196 for this reason. Talk about missing the mark. . .
These threads are odd to me, considering how many people call all communists tankies. The word seems to be used by anarchists, conservatives, communists, anti-communists, and more, and every person has a slightly different definition.
Half the people here could consider the other half to be the tankies everyone is mad at.
To be clear this isn't me saying "be nice to the tankies" this is me saying "the overuse of this word is confusing the shit out of me."
Based AF
Fuck tankies
196 is one of the greatest
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I think most of you need to worry way less about sounding sufficiently the "right kind" of leftist and focus more on promoting leftism through action. More than half the "tankie" discourse is, at best, a needless distraction from actual progress. Lose your buzzwords and stop the ideological purity pissing contest and actually put in the work in your communities instead, goddamn.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
The image in your post is of a Nazi, the Soviet army killed more Nazis than any other in history. Tankies is a meaningless word akin to woke, more LGBTQ+ people are killed in the United States than Russia or China combined. When MAGA-fascism takes over the United States and bog-standard Fascism takes over Europe I and every other so-called tankie would fight by your side, yet I fear you would turn us over to the brownshirts. Pick-mes are gonna Pick-me.
I'm not against the hostility being shown towards tankies here... but it should be remembered that there are a lot of well-meaning and well-intentioned people who get caught up in the technocratic ideology tankies buy into. Let's face it... if you google anything about leftism you are more likely to end up reading about Marx and Engels than Bakunin or Goldman - and right-wing propaganda is as perfectly fine with conflating everything "leftist" with the technocratic (ie authoritarian) left as tankies themselves are.
If we are leaving some doors open for fascists and capitalists who turn against their programming, we should remember to do the same for tankies.
i wonder why this post about tankies is suddenly popular
sees top posts criticising israel and fascism
ah there it is
what democracy?
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.
[...]
In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
something like 70% of Americans want universal healthcare and yet it remains politically impossible.
Tankies as well as fascists are imperialistic scum.
Do you have nothing better to post?
Unfortunately, the only way to kick tankies out of 196 is to get 196 out of Lemmy. Because Lemmy is being developed by two tankies themselves, with a third one about to join. And because despite being defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad, lemmy.ml is still a free roam place for tankies from those two cesspool places. So, either defederate yourselves from lemmy.ml (nobody would do that), or fork lemmy into a new clean place (not impossible, but difficult to perform), or do as beehaw will do soon.
Hell yeah!
This post's comments are fucking hilarious.
You have liberals debating ancoms and self described v*ush communists. You have someone that wants to call all communists an ableist slur. You have people decrying communism and people debating that there's "good communism."
You jerkoffs don't have a consistent ideology and it shows. Your mods are more welcoming of ableist liberals (the user that used the slur is not banned but I'm sure mods were quick to ban any 'tankie apologists') and cryptofascists than they are of fellow leftists because you've sucked up the liberal propaganda that tells them any communist that accomplishes anything in the real world is a tankie.
Communism isn't compatible with America's "democracy" and any of you so called "communists" that are afraid of undermining capitalism deserve the bedfellows you've welcomed with open arms.
Most "tankies" you assholes are so afraid of wouldn't touch 196 with a ten foot pole yet you're all still jumping at shadows when anyone says something too left like it's still the 60s. At this point I welcome a ban with open arms and wish 196 would get the fuck away from any trans-first instances as it's poisoning the well.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog
As someone who had family who survived the Holocaust, im quite concerned that this was removed:
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
This is the writer of the article, Dovid Katz
Dovid Katz (Yiddish: הירשע־דוד כ״ץ, also הירשע־דוד קאַץ, Hirshe-Dovid Kats, [ˌhirʃɛ-ˈdɔvid ˈkɑt͡s], born 9 May 1956) is an American-born Vilnius-based scholar, author, and educator specializing in Yiddish language and literature, Lithuanian-Jewish culture, and the Holocaust in Eastern Europe.
When, in May 2008, Lithuanian prosecutors launched investigations of two more elderly Holocaust survivors, Fania Yocheles Brantsovsky and Dr. Rachel Margolis, Katz embarked on a new activist phase of his life. He became a staunch advocate for the accused Holocaust survivors who were under investigation, and played a role in mobilizing the Western diplomatic community in Vilnius to support them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dovid_Katz
I feel comfortable linking Wikipedia on this because it is pretty well sourced, but I would encourage people to read the sources.
This guy isn't a "tankie", he isn't even a communist. He's a mainstream jewish Holocaust scholar and activist and it is concerning that his article was removed because you dont like what he has to say.
Rule.
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it's cool to be a mcarthyist bigot
Based
How did all this fascism get into my wholesome anticommunism??? I can't figure out why it keeps happening!!!
Want to see the transphobia and homophobia that Lemmy tankies from Hexbear are getting up to? Check out !dronerights@lemm.ee (https://lemm.ee/c/DroneRights) to see their months long harassment of a single trans person for being nonbinary.
Eliminate the state UwU
A-fucking-men, brother!
setting a reminder on my phone to show you this post when we're both in the same extermination camp (you ratted me out to the police because I wasn't the right flavor of Communist (you later arrived for being leftist at all) )
"The progress from an absolute to a limited monarchy, from a limited monarchy to a democracy, is a progress toward a true respect for the individual.... Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all its own power and authority are derived, and treats him accordingly"
your label is threatening labels I identify with. Not agreeing about actions and methods. My labels are the only true way to understand my views
. Cy y!.
Define tankie. I've seen that work be used in so many different contexts that it seems to have lost all meaning. This are word has been used to describe so many different things by people that don't know what it means that now it has lost all meaning.
Similar case for the word "Authoritarian"
Same story goes for the word "authoritarian". I've seen that word being defined as "When government uses it's authority to stop you from doing something", but by that logic any society with laws and law enforcement is authoritarian. This are word has been used to describe so many different things by people that don't know what it means that now it has lost all meaning.
