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Unfortunately, the only way to kick tankies out of 196 is to get 196 out of Lemmy. Because Lemmy is being developed by two tankies themselves, with a third one about to join. And because despite being defederated from hexbear and lemmygrad, lemmy.ml is still a free roam place for tankies from those two cesspool places. So, either defederate yourselves from lemmy.ml (nobody would do that), or fork lemmy into a new clean place (not impossible, but difficult to perform), or do as beehaw will do soon.
So, either defederate yourselves from lemmy.ml (nobody would do that)
I mean, if push comes to shove why not? It’s not the “main instance” anymore, it’s only got twice the users of Hexbear. Around a third of .world. I don’t think defederating would be that bad of an idea if they get too oppressive.
I had some hexbear posters argue with me that apparently North Korea isn’t actually a bad place and it’s all evil western propaganda making us think it is. Gave me a real headache, that
Edit: Some great tankie examples below too
Leave it up to the Tankies to out themselves by defending north korea
Well, do you think the Taean system is bad? Do you prefer the way your workplace is owned and managed?
A criticism I have of the DPRK is that they could do more to expand the Taean work system than they have done.
jfc you really found this in the sea of 400 comments.
the entire concept is corrupted from the jump. the government is comprised of people who violently repress any political dissent and the head of state was ordained from birth, completely immune to any consequences for his actions. the factory leaders are "democratically elected," huh? good thing political discussion and elections in nk are so fair and free! im sure talking shit and voting against the party-chosen candidate has no consequences whatsoever. and if you don't like who gets """"elected"""" you can tooootally leave the job. maybe you could even move to another country in order to talk about your experiences! odd that happens so rarely, nk must be such a nice place to live that no one but those with this weird delusion of the country being a hellhole wants to leave.
i know talking to you is pointless, i mean, the amount of blatant propaganda you have to swallow to believe for even a second that the taean system actually functions in a meaningful way is absolutely wild, but the idea that their real problem is that they just haven't "expanded" it far enough is laughable. yeah, no, actually, you're right! they just need to hold actual elections to replace their entire government!
They violently crush all dissent, but there are literally social democrats as a significant minority party? That's bullshit on its face. Also Kim Jung Un has less power than his father, who had less power than his father, and wouldn't even be in power if the guy before him (who wasn't in any way related to the Kims) tried to implement capitalist reforms and then tried to coup the government when he received pushback.
they just need to hold actual elections to replace their entire government!
Pretty sure they do that regularly. You dont have to agree with it, but are you capable of restating the viewpoint of why a concensus process with a confirmation vote is democratic, according to MLs?
are you capable of feeling shame?
Are you capable of engaging with TB's points instead of falling back into insults to save face?
ive done this song and dance before. there's nothing to engage. they've already edited their comment multiple times to say almost entirely different things. calling that party a "significant minority" is insane lie. if i linked literally anything from anywhere you'd just call it western propaganda. im not putting the effort in for you morons.
you're literally claiming that north. korea. has a functioning democracy. get a grip.
Okay, well, if you feel like reading a book sometime, I highly recommend Patriots, Traitors, and Empires: The story of Korea's Struggle for Freedom, by political analyst Stephen Gowans (he's not a commie, no reason to be scared)(edit: he's a marxist), it goes into the history of the Korean peninsula, starting from the Japanese colonization in the early 1900s, through WW2, the division of the country into North/South, the Korean war, through to present day, answering why North Korea (DPRK) is where it's at today.
Here's an article that goes over the basics of it all, if you're not up for reading the whole book (but it's a very good book)
Well, I figured I have free rein to edit until you say something of substance in response
They're not wrong though, especially if you compare to SK which is a capitalist shithole where suicide is through the roof. People don't realize how much we know about NK is flat out lies told by people who need to tell them in order to survive across the border. It's not exactly what you would call a utopia but considering how much they're getting slammed by sanctions, they're doing pretty well for themselves.
You mean the sanctions that happen because they refused to stop developing nuclear weapons? The nation that forbids its people from leaving? The one that invests more money into tracking and controlling its citizens then it spends on feeding them? Sure.
You know they have a relatively open border with China right? They just don't let people leave into the southern almost dictatorship(their military is still subordinate to US pacific command)
Also if you had the US conducting the largest military exercise simulating an invasion on your border every year you'd want nuclear warheads too. Especially if they've previously killed 20 percent of Koreans total.
Except they don’t? Any North Koreans who cross the border to China get deported back to NK and punished with hard labor or death
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/repatriate-08292023143955.html/ampRFA
South Korean media outlets estimate that there are around 100,000 North Korean workers in China, and between 3,000 and 4,000 in Russia, even though U.N. sanctions mandate that all North Korean workers were supposed to have been repatriated by the end of 2019.
Sources told RFA that the first groups of people selected for repatriation include people accused of crimes, the sick and infirm, and employees who have fallen out of grace with their companies.
Btw the order to not have them outside of the DPRK comes from sanctions because of their nuclear program, not because the DPRK is forcing them back.
The Dandong Public Security Bureau assisted with the repatriation by lining up on the streets around the buses to prevent the North Koreans from fleeing and they also forbade onlookers from taking any pictures, the resident said.
Because this would definitely happen with regular workers…
I literally linked radio free asia because theyre a known CIA media front, I'm unsurprised that they'd claim that, the point is that even anticommunists admit there are a lot of Koreans from the dprk in China for work.
Source?
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/forced-relocation-07202022182032.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-when-north-korean-defector-tried-to-escape-2018-6?amp
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/19/asia/north-korean-defector-interview-intl/index.html
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kObDS-eXgA
Come on now these are NOT hard to find.
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Have you ever been yourself in North Korea? Have you ever read about their actual history?
Have you?
I feel like wanting to defederate from .ml is showing your whole ass for all to see. I get wanting to defed from hexbear and grad because they genuinely have problems that even I've personally ran up against, but ml? You just hate anything left of hilter if you have an issue with them.
The issue with .ml isn't that they're tankies, it's that they have fully open registration and are huge. The whole instance is a massive vector for abuse that makes it effectively impossible to stop determined trolls if you're federated with them.
Lemmy.ml is NOT defederated with lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.net
In fact, the lemmy.ml admins/devs are admin on lemmygrad.ml
Choose an instance that defederated with hexbear and lemmygrad and you won't see many tankies. Even if they post on Lemmy.ml you won't see it because that is how federation works.
In fact, the lemmy.ml admins/devs are admin on lemmygrad.ml
Why do you think so? Can you prove it?
It is literally the original/first Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml were on the same server with the same IP address before
Lemmy.ml is the first instance, but I don't see any evidence that lemmygrad.ml had the same IP address. Where did you get this from?
I didn't try on any lemmy instance, but while I was on Kbin, I've posted some comments on lemmy.ml (worldnews, if I remember correctly). Nothing out of the ordinary. One tankie called me a nazi (I had to change my profile photo becuase of that), and other tankie called me a loser, having myself ADHD and ASD.
Kbin.social isn't defederated with any of the tankie instances afaik. On kbin your options are limited
But on Kbin I can block communities and even instances. On Lemmy I don't have that option yet. So, when I see some random post from lemmy.ml while browsing "all", I block that community and goodbye problems.
For sure you can block communities in Lemmy. And very soon entire instances.
Better yet, get 196 away from blahaj so the trans friendly instances can be free from chaser welcoming communities.
If you don't mind, what is beehaw doing?
Beehaw is looking for a new place to be, mostly because of the lack of modding tools (I think there is a post on that instance). But if that migration allows them to avoid tankies and other kind of fascists, that's better. Can't blame them, I was harassed by tankies as well some weeks ago.
tankies and other kind of fascists
I was harassed by tankies as well some weeks ago.
how they harassed you?
One of them called me a nazi because I had the Ukrainian flag as profile picture (like here ). And the other one called me a loser, after I pointed them out that I suffer from ADHD.
thanks :)
I would defederate. Just tell me how lol
So, either defederate yourselves from lemmy.ml (nobody would do that), or fork lemmy into a new clean place (not impossible, but difficult to perform)
How forking will help in any way?