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I dont think you are advocating for violence, but there was a shooting at a Congressional baseball game and it didnt push the Republicanw towards passing legislation to control guns at all. It is extremely disturbing how little of a fuck they give.
Hell and that's a Fox "News" poll, so that would likely have their own flavor of bias trying to make it as much in their own favor as possible.
I don't see this as advocating for violence, more as pointing out how a specific group of people only care about things that personally affect them so they currently don't care about the issue.
Hell the NRA cared about gun control when the Black Panthers started advocating for buying guns back in the day. Why? Because they saw it as a personal threat to their well-being.
That their local representative was anti-gun control before this shooting affected his own local area, only proves your point more. That he changed his opinion is a good thing, but too little too late.
Very impressed that he publicly came out to accept responsibility for the Maine shooting with his previous opposition to gun control though, and is now advocating for it.
Unfortunately, it may take several shootings in all the representatives' and senators' home towns that are in opposition to actually flip them (even then, it wouldn't change many of their minds, unless it actually personally affected them), and the country shouldn't have to suffer that. It likely will literally take a constitutional amendment to prevent the supreme court from overturning any legislation enacted (or at least stripping it down to become fluff legislation with little meaning, or effect).
I think the wording was production left confusing. But the facts are the facts
However, as long as it is "only" school children and ordinary civilians dying, Republicans will not change their stance on gun control in the slightest.
So, you're saying we should start shooting unborn fetuses?
Who or what are "flag people"?
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'Flag people who are danger to self' is an action.
They want those who are likely to commit suicide with a gun to be marked in the system for gun control.
Edit: Or they have ideas about this store The Flag People
How mental health check is less popular, than abstract background check?
Mental health is a squishier standard. Let's say I had depression and decided to talk to someone about it, get the help I needed to become mentally healthy again. Should that necessarily be penalized if I want to go buy a gun to go out to the range or hunting with my buddies? Should seeking help disqualify someone entirely? Does that prevent people from getting help they think they might need, stigmatizing an already stigmatized practice?
Meanwhile, if Dave down the hill has a record, he's already shown he was willing to do an illegal thing, whether or not the record is fair. If he already has reports against him for domestic disturbances, that's pretty cut and dry violent behavior that ought not be allowed to intensify.
I'm not saying mental checks aren't a good idea or aren't worth it. I'm saying that they're a harder sell because a) they take more nuance to formulate well and b) the propaganda machine will have an easier time telling people how those checks are overreach.
I know people who are left leaning democrats and they're for gun control. But gun control doesn't solve the problem entirely.
The problem is the entire culture around guns and toxic 'me and my gun and my truck' self sufficiency culture in the US and the lack of a social net.
Yes it is. I was downvoted to shit last time I said we should have the mandatory 10 days waiting period and background checks. Had nothing but what ifs.
People treating firearms as fuckin toys should be banned. Your firearm was on unattended and your child killed himself or an other person? Straight to jail. Fuckin hate that people have lost the respect of the tool they are using.
Sounds more like asshole culture
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100% will use the term Terrorist Mass Shooter from now on.
Fixed it
But was it well regulated?
Never said he wasn't.
Was the man not in the national guard? Seems he was exactly a part of a well regulated militia. That doesn't just automatically stop gun crime.
That's the point. It isn't well-regulated.
The National Guard is not well regulated? Im gonna wager your definition of well regulated is a body in which nothing bad ever happens, which is not what well regulated means, that's called perfection.
If the national guard isnt considered well regulated then nothing is, and clearly the writers of the bill didnt intend for 'well regulated' to be an impossible standard. So if well regulated is going to mean something it didnt mean from the authors then that phrase no longer has bearing on the right, and shockingly enough the US Judicial system agrees with and upheld that.
This was a shooting by a member of a well regulated milita. That phrase or organization structure is not a magic spell that stops crime. The authors would have written 'crime free' instead of well regulated if that's what they meant.
*terrorist
The terror is stochastic the lone wolf mass shooter is the terror metastasized. Lone Wolf Mass Shooter and Terrorist are synonyms.
I'm looking to learn here, so please forgive me about this, but I had heard something about there being multiple shooters involved. Something about two middle Eastern looking men and a maroon car. It was like a police dispatch audio, but with little context and no sources. My Google-fu is failing me at the moment. Can someone help educate me on this?
It is the result of an unarmed society. The only weapon deployed against this guy was a butcher knife, and predictably it didn’t work.
You're just uvalding the question. I mean evading.
Maine is a state where almost half the households have guns. I don't think opponents of the second amendment are going to find a lot of support there even after yesterday's mass shooting.
People advocating for gun control arent opponents of the 2nd amendment....
Like most things fox news has turned the entire debate into an us vs them thing. Gun control is surprisingly something that most Republicans and Democrats agree on.
People advocating for gun control aren't necessarily opponents of the 2nd amendment, but people talking about well-regulated militias usually are. What's the point of bringing up that strange phrase unless you don't think that the 2nd amendment's right to bear arms applies to everyone regardless of membership in some sort of militia?
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Isn't that a national poll, as opposed to a poll of Maine residents? I'm talking specifically about Maine, not about the USA as a whole.
Or “oppose the second amendment”, as you propagandistically say, because you dont have facts on your side.
Generally people who quibble about the term "well-regulated militia" do specifically oppose the second amendment. But the constitution of Maine doesn't have that ambiguity:
Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.
I might be wrong, but isn't everything on there already a requirement? I think the mental health check is the only thing that isn't (unless you consider losing your right to own a gun after being involuntarily committed for any reason to be a mental health check). The problem is that even our existing gun control laws aren't being properly enforced (otherwise that wouldn't be part of the poll). I think there needs to be more gun control. I'm just not sure that more gun control is going to work because the government won't enforce what's already there.
I personally think a licensing system similar to what we have for cars would help a lot. Want a double-barrel shotgun? The current system would probably work for that. Want an AR-15? You need the enthusiast license which involves a week or two of training, a basic mental health evaluation, and a gun safe (not a flimsy lockbox) to store it in. Want a .50 cal, belt-fed browning machine gun? You gotta get the super ultra deluxe license that requires a year of training and mental health checks, background checks complete with colonoscopies from the FBI and ATF, and you still need a gun safe to store it in. Finally, if your gun is used in a crime then you're considered to be an accomplice. Your only defense is if you can prove it was properly stored and you reported it as stolen within a reasonable amount of time.
Edit: I got it guys, I'm wrong about existing gun control. I'm leaving the post up because there may be others who are also confused about it.
