1y ago

IDF reveals Hamas command posts in and beneath Gaza hospital

www.ynetnews.com

Military reveals Hamas command posts in and beneath Gaza hospital

The IDF revealed on Friday, what it described as intelligence showing a Hamas command center located under a the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. In a briefing, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari told members of the foreign press corps that there are areas in the hospitals that are used by Hamas to direct its military operations.

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1y ago

IDF reveals Hamas command posts in and beneath Gaza hospital

www.ynetnews.com /article/hj2heutza

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Even if true, does it justify bombing and killing everyone in that hospital?
- That's the thing
  Hamas is awful for putting military installations near civilian infrastructure, and the Israeli military is awful for bombing indiscriminately despite their advanced military tech and resources.
  We don't need to pick one or the other
  
  Im not sure if i would blame Israel. If someone was barricaded next door to you taking people off the streets, taking pot shots over the fence and holding human shields you would want something done too. Unfortunately, while any action taken should miniseries danger to non-combatants they are literally in the line of fire.
  They tried blockades and cutting power, but everyone complained at that too. What are you meant to do when your opponent is deliberately trying to make you kill civilians to get rid of them?
- By the rules of war? Yes, absolutely. You could even make an argument that the Geneva Convention would encourage the bombing of this hospital as a way to deter future actors from attempting a similar war crime.

This looks so fake, holy shit. Apparently Hamas has a red barrel room straight out of every video game.
- It's a representation of a Garry's Mod level. I don't doubt Hamas has bases in tunnels but the base depicted looks so obviously faked, the rooms in it look straight out of a video game. It's like the Israeli government told a video game addicted intern to make up a Hamas bases in Garry's Mod to send to the media.
- Not only is it not fake, it's been known for some time, and Amnesty did a whole piece of how Hamas tortures dissidents there.
  https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
  
  I don't see anything there about Hamas punkers looking like an graphic design intern, who plays an excessive amount of FPS games, quickly threw the design together in Garry's Mod.

- The "underground terror network" propaganda everyone keeps pushing really loses it's momentum when someone brings up the severe lack of cement in Gaza due to Israeli trade restrictions. Speculative evidence of tunnels under hospitals does not allow justification of bombing those hospitals.
  
  Fun fact: The shortages in Gaza are because Hamas keeps all the money and supplies for their "war effort"
  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099
  This is because, as their charter states, Hamas views all Palestinians as martyrs to the cause, and not only doesn't care if they live or die, they actively encourage civilian deaths. Sometimes at gunpoint.
  Also the tunnels are not speculation. They are the entire reason the ground assault is happening. They're extremely well documented, and tunnel networks have been in the area for literally thousands of years
- Are you copying and pasting the same reply as someone else? I swear I keep seeing this exact reply on anything to do with Israel / Palestine, but it doesn't show up in your post history (as far back as I could be bothered going anyway).
  
  Not sure why you are downvoted for asking a legitimate question.
  Personally I've never seen it, but it does provide a bit of background.
  
  No, it's being said a lot because its both deplorable and true. And every time someone learns about it for the first time they assume that no self respecting person could know about Hamas' crimes and still support Hamas.
- or PIJ’s own rockets which have misfired
  Still hasn't been verifiably proven by either Hamas nor the IDF what actually happened. Even Al jazeera's own video was contradictory to what the IDF claimed because it showed the missile launching from Israel which makes no sense.
  And then a Rabbi gets stabbed to death outside her home in Detroit.
  Unrelated and most likely not a targeted murder according to the police
  UNHRC have found this to be true
  Not saying this isn't true but source plz? I can't find anything talking about this mostly because right now they are focusing on the humanitarian crisis, so its all the new articles.

hey that means we should just bomb it down!
- No this is why they're doing the ground invasion.
  Although they did collapse some tunnels with "sponge bombs" that have expanding foam rather than explosives.
  
  Have they already used the sponge bomb? Or not yet?

Do Israeli leaders know that when a terrorist uses “human shields,”, you aren’t supposed to kill the “human shields”? You’re supposed to prove you’re better than the terrorist by valuing civilian life.
“Human shields” in quotes because they seem to think Hamas using tunnels makes all of Gaza a human shield. But if you value human life on the x and y axis and kill civilians on the z axis, you’re still a war criminal. Real life is 3D.
- Not quite - you are meant to respond in a proportional way and minimise civilian casualties. It sucks, but civilians die in war and this must be minimal.
  Level the whole building - non proportional, didn't minimize casualties, probably a war crime (as it is a military target it may be considered acceptable).
  Blockades to remove hamas strength and stop aid supplies that aren't getting to civilians anyway- proportional and minimises as opposed to what else can be done.
  Restricting resources then invasion - legal to remove a threat, proportional, minimize casualties.
  Interestingly this is the exact same response a police force will do if someone blockades themselves inside a building with human shields and takes pot shots at everyone walking past - starve, remove strength and resources, get as many hostages out as you can then invade it.
  Using civilians as a human shield in a state-state conflict is a war crime, however if hamas is considered a terrorist organization rather than a state it is no longer war and not technically a war crime. I believe other laws come into play however, its been a while.
  
  I don’t have a problem with crushing the Al-Qassam Brigades or crushing Hamas leadership structure. I do have a problem with the loose definition of human shield and pretending the health ministry is the Al-Qassam Brigades.
  I root for team civilian but even if I had a special place in my heart for Israel, I think what they’re doing is counterproductive. Every civilian killed means two terrorists a few years from now.
  
  From what I understand, putting militarily installations in places of worship, schools, hospitals and similar, is a war crime even in non-international conflicts.
  
  get as many hostages out
  Ah I see Israel skipped this step because they don't care about the hostages (and neither does Egypt for that matter)
- That’s not what the geneva convention says. The right of self defense takes precedence. So according to international law those locations become valid targets. They are not “supposed to keel over and die”, that’s not valuing their own lives.
  
  The right of self defense takes precedence
  It stopped being self defense a while ago bud

I don't doubt that they put them in and around hospitals, schools, mosques, and churches to try to increase civilian casualties and therefore outrage when Israel goes and strikes their enemies.
- Reading Lemmy, it works wonders

Oh, well if IDF reveals it, it's gotta be true . . .
- What do you mean?
  It's not like they could have faked the audio recording of two anonymous people saying it's definitely happening...
  I mean sure, if they wanted to they could send in ground forces and capture the hospital they could prove that infrastructure exists, but why do that when they can just collapse the hospital and kill all the patients too?
  
  Sending ground forces straight into the center of Gaza isn't as simple as you make it seem. The place is booby trapped and has a labyrinth of tunnels full of armed terrorists just waiting to kill Israeli soldiers in the name of Allah or some shit.
  They can't just stroll in and take a look under the hospital.