Overwhelming majority of Russians now want to end Ukraine war
A poll shows that 20 months in, Russian public support for President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has dropped significantly.
Shitty headline. That is ONLY if Russia gets to keep the annexed territories:
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
LOL if the question is like that ("would you stop the war as a winner keeping all the lands and cease the sanctions") then what the other 30% of people is thinking?
"Keep fighting because I enjoy watching it on the news?"
And also it states that
70 percent of Russians would support Putin should he decide to end the conflict this week.
It doesn't necessarily mean that they want to end the war, only that they would support Putin's decision...
You cannot ask direct questions like: Do you want to overthrow the dictator? And expect a realistic answer in a dictatorship.
You also cannot ask a question like: Should Russia keep it's territories? Because if you are in a dictatorship, you can go to prison for the wrong answer.
You can lose your job if what you say can be taken from the wrong context.
Merely the fear that such reprisal exists, means that the overwhelming population cannot answer truthfully, even if they wanted to.
So I would take these polls with a grain of salt.
I don't think the war will end until Putin dies. Whether that be next week or in 20 years.
There's no way for Putin to retreat and save face. The world can't afford to allow Russia to win. It will be a horrible stalemate of slaughter until Putin dies and can be blamed by both sides, to be able to negotiate a way out.
I don't think that scenario has such an optimistic outlook in store. The people in the best position to inherit the seats of power in the Russian state are Putin's closest clique, who are, for the most part, ultranationalists, who would not only see their newfound power deligitimazed if they immediately signed peace, but would also be acting against their own ideology. Even if there are powerful people in Russia who would prefer to transition towards a different kind of country, they don't have a clear route to reach power.
I'm worried about Putin getting old and still in power in charge of the warfare.
lol I knew I saw the exact opposite headline somewhere. "Majority of russians dont want an end to ukraine war if needed to release territories" or something like that
Stop up voting Newsweek. They are not a reputable publication.
Without being condescending, can you give sauce? And for reference, what you consider reputable publications?
Newsweek isn't terrible (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek), but sources like reuters or associated press are usually more reliable.
The fact check link posted by the other user is good.
Newsweek tends to take some news fact, often not even fact but a possible outcome of some developing story, and write a full opinion piece on a tangent.
We get a lot of Salon articles here doing the same thing.
As far as reputable, I would say apnews, Reuters, politico, CNN, BBC off the top of my head.
I know CNN will be contested. They have an annoying amount of opinion in their stories, but I do find that they clearly separate what's objective fact and what's editorial opinion.
I'm kinda guessing they've never wanted that war to happen in the first place, they probably simply can't express that without being arrested or something.
Those who support the war are probably brainwashed by propaganda.
There are actually Russians who I’ve heard say things like “Crimea is ours anyway,” and “Ukraine is supposed to be a part of Russia.” And I’m talking about Russian emigres in America who are not looking over their shoulders.
It’s not everyone. Mostly blowhard assholes but they do exist. The Russian people aren’t all sitting there thinking the right things but keeping their lips sealed.
Every country has a lot of idiotic nationalists, especially those which have an glorified, imperialist past. What matters is how much suffering are they willing to impose upon themselves to satisfy the demands of their collective narcissism, and Russians who live abroad aren't going to be the ones suffering it the most.
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However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
Russia has maintained that any peace deal must include "the entry of four [Ukrainian] regions into Russia," something that Kyiv is unlikely to budge on.
Lmao why does it sounds so familiar
Hard to compare these conflicts. Ultimately Russia is aggressively trying to annex land and gain sea access through conventional warfare, Israel is trying to keep their people safe from guerilla attacks, having defeated their aggressor in conventional warfare multiple times long ago. Ukraine is the underdog in their conflict and it appears they are winning, Palestine is the underdog in their conflict and they have no viable path to military victory.
Nah, there's similarity between Russia and Israel. Israel want to annex Gaza, West Bank, and Jerusalem, but ultimately withdraw from Gaza due to both demographic issue and constant Hamas attack. But now they seems to reignite the plan, seeing that over the year they keep expanding their West Bank illegal settlement, and the current plan for Gaza's ethnic cleansing. One could even argue that "keeping people safe" is just a farce, considering having peace within the region is the best way to keep their people safe, yet the current administration is moving away from that, causing the tension to raise within the region.
The similarity extend to the country, down to the citizen's opinion. The aggressor(Russia/Israel) want to keep the land and won't give back, the underdog(Ukraine/Palestine Authority, not Hamas) want their land back and won't compromise.
Too bad the similarity end there, as Palestine Authority does not have much authority, as they're not and will not recognized as a state by Israel, even though they demand Palestine to recognize their state.
Pretty important detail missing from the headline:
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
That's a pretty critical detail... The headline becomes incredibly misleading without it. It should read: "Overwhelming majority of Russians now want to win Ukraine war"
Too bad they have no say
In other news: large amount of Russians fall from stairs and windows this week.
As long as they give up the land theyve srolen then let it end otherwise im feelin russia might be in for a very painfull couple more years
I say we support ukraine until they raid Moscow and buttfuck putin with something sharp.
That's not the goal and the Ukrainians aren't going to waste their lives pushing to Moscow. They just want their country back, that's been there intent since day 1.
Never claimed it was their plan, I was making a statement over how long I would support them and their struggle.
End how?
With all the territorial gains, if an article I've read here recently was right.
Well, they're probably quite content with their territorial gains and are hopeful that they'll just conveniently end the war now and keep said territories. That would explain the still relatively high number of supporters the Kremlin still enjoys while also a big chunk of the population wants an end to the war. I think there's a big overlap between the two groups, which might explain my initial point.
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
Further reading the article proves this sadly.
Their options are pack up and leave, or throw down their weapons and surrender.
The Kremlin: seen
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Most Russians now support ending President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine, according to a poll published by Russia's Levada Center, an independent research organization based in Moscow.
Levada's latest poll comes months into Ukraine's slow-moving counteroffensive to reclaim the territories Russia has seized throughout the war, and as Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on Monday floated the prospect of peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow.
The results are significant given that stringent laws passed in Russia in March 2022 made criticizing the Russian military and the war in Ukraine illegal.
An August poll by the Levada Center showed that just 38 percent of respondents "definitely" support the actions of Russia's armed forces in Ukraine.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said on multiple occasions that he will not comply with the Kremlin's non-negotiable conditions for peace talks, including that Kyiv must accept the September 2022 annexation of four of its regions—Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia—following referendums called by Putin that were deemed illegal by the international community.
Zelensky has pushed a 10-step "peace formula," which includes radiation and nuclear safety; food security; energy security; the release of all prisoners and deported persons; implementation of the U.N. Charter and restoration of Ukraine's territorial integrity and the world order; withdrawal of Russian troops and cessation of hostilities; restoration of justice; countering ecocide; preventing escalation; and finally, confirmation of the end of the war.
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Yeah well the overwhelming majority of Russians has jack shit control over the war. All about Putin
Yeah... But the wrong question was asked... "Do you want to save your sons and pay the price of rebuilding Ukraine as it was before your aggression?"
Who are they overwhelming? The words must have meaning
"Overwhelming majority" is a very common turn of phrase with a specific meaning. It doesn't mean that anyone is actually being overwhelmed, just that it's a very significant majority.
I hope the majority of the world wants all wars to end. The ones in power don't
I'm afraid you're underestimating the effects of propaganda and nationalism. Those can do frightening things to normal humans.
Propaganda, nationalism, and fear of what regressive shitheads will do if you vocalize any opposition
I know. My hope is false hope