Bing loses search market share to Google despite ChatGPT integration

I used Bing to get coordinates for every postal code in the British postal system. As long as I didn't ask for too many at once, it would give it to me in a convenient table. And each one seems to have been accurate, at least for the ones I checked.

But on the other hand, I tried asking it to look up some Pathfinder homebrew, and even though it could give me the link to the exact document I wanted, and it definitely saw the content, it was absolutely incapable of giving accurate information. It would give statblocks that were formatted correctly but had the wrong numbers, and abilities that either shouldn't be there at all, or with the right name but the wrong rules, either because it made up a plausible sounding entry or because it was bringing in the d&d version. I even tried asking it to tell me about a series of feats in one of these documents, and it would make up its own feats that matched the naming scheme instead of giving me the feats in the document it was referencing.

The inability to reliably quote things is a bit of problem for something that wants to be a search engine.

What i noticed with bingpt is that it can only handle stuff it can actually find. I asked it to look for open foodplaces while knowing they where all closed and it hallucinated three that didn’t exist.

Ironically the reverse, chatgpt with bing integration seems to do a slightly better job.

It absolutely has and I fucking hate it.

As in the user can turn it off

Why would they keep it on? Sure, they will continue to collect data for their AI, but I'm pretty sure they are happy that they don't want to keep it on if it might drive you to use other search engines. And turn it back on after a few versions of optimization

DDG uses Bing results but doesn't serve you the ads on AI features.

I've found as people use DDG, Bing has become more and more useable day-to-day. Used to only really be good for porn, because people didn't want to Google it but felt comfortable using Bing. Now it's getting more relevant results as people use it to troubleshoot and research, etc.

ChatGPT is most useful when you may not know the right answer, but you know a wrong answer when you see one. It's very useful for technical issues. Much quicker for troubleshooting than searching page after page for a solution.

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Bing AI provides reference in the "more precise" version

Not the other commenter:

I usually have an idea about the thing I'm asking, and if not then I'll look up the topics mentioned after some guided brainstorming

I've also found that asking the same question again, after resetting the chat, can give you an idea of what is happening

While this is an important thing to understand about AI, it's an overstated issue once understood. For most questions I ask AI, it doesn't matter if it's correct as long as it pulls some half useful info to get me on track (i.e programming). For other questions, I only ask it if I need to figure out where to look next, which it will usually do just fine.

The first page of my search results is all AI generated garbage articles anyway, at least I know what I am getting with GPT and can take it as such.

The point you have to remember is that it is trained on bulk data out there in a very inefficient manner, it needs to see thousands of examples in order to start getting any sort of understanding of something. If you ask it "how do I do {common task} in {popular language}" you will generally get excellent results, but the further you stray from that the more likely to be error prone it is.

Still it is often good to get you looking on the right track when you are unsure to start, and is fantastic for learning a new language. I've been using it extensively in learning C# where I know what I want to code but not exactly how to use existing features to do it.

But generally you can't (shouldn't) trust web search results fully either. At the end of the day, the onus is on you as the user to do your due diligence.

I've seen ChatGPT give me wrong information, and sometimes it would be bad to execute the code or command it generated it, but I know enough to say "are you sure thats correct?". Hell, you can just challenge it each time or open a new session and ask it "what does this code do: insert-code-it generated here".

You shouldn't just paste a search result command from stack overflow into your terminal either. And at least with chatgpt you can ask it to explain the command or code in detail and it will walk you through what each step does.

Also, pasting that command from stack over flow into chatgpt and adding your specific context around it is HUGE. Thats why I say they are different products/use cases but they work well in concert. They just dont work well combined together like bing and google have been doing.

edit: I guess lemmy escapes certain characters and it ate my post.

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This was recently updated for paid users. You can now browse the internet, upload files and images, and they’ve also unlocked APIs by giving it tokens. It’s getting closer to being fully multi-modal quite quickly.

I thought ChatGPT can't search the internet and is using a LLM snapshot from 2021?

And I thought Bing's ChatGPT model is allowed to search the internet live?

Doesn't that make Bing's version of ChatGPT superior?

We need more normies on lemmy