Why wait for Microsoft to catch up with what we've been doing for decades?
Why wait for Microsoft to catch up with what we've been doing for decades?
Why wait for Microsoft to catch up with what we've been doing for decades?
Get Plasma, a modern, fully functional, clean, privacy-respecting, non-intrusive operating system now, regardless from where you live and ditch Windows for good.
Why wait for Windows to change when you can get Linux? ;)
Now you've done it!
I love Linux and the community surrounding it. I love the flexibility, the privacy and the way Debian lets me choose my desktop environment at login.
But all of us know why people still use windows. It's because you don't have to install four different distros until you find one that detects your Bluetooth mouse.
Let's not kid ourselves.
That hasn't been true in a long long long long time and you damn well know it.
Two weeks ago is not a long long long long time in my book. Lenovo ThinkPad silent mouse and a ThinkPad X13 Gen2. Fedora: no. Ubuntu: surprisingly no. I forget which one I tried next before Debian finally detected it. Do you want to talk about fingerprint readers working out of the box?
Also, if you live outside of Europe, you'll be waiting very long.
That's why my registy moved to france
Tbh. I don't really mind this ad. :) Non-profit? Ethical software? More people should use it
Not an Ad. PSA.
advertising /ăd′vər-tī″zĭng/ noun The activity of attracting public attention to a product or business, as by paid announcements in the print, broadcast, or electronic media.
Why can’t it be both? Advertising isn’t necessarily always a negative.
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Been wondering about jumping ship to Linux after I got some hands on experience through the Steam Deck, but I hear that they don't have the same wide compatibility with various Hardware, plus there are a lot of programs you can't get.
If I want Clip Studio Paint, be able to play games with anti cheat AND be able to stream comfortably with OBS and the XLR microphones I have... Can I reasonably expect to be able to do all these things without a hitch?
Have been trying Linux Mint on a spare laptop as a complete N00b. Can't get a huion screen tablet to work, nor an older xp non-screen one. Only option I've found for software is Krita (which isn't bad, actually), but no CSP.
Couldn't get a controller to work properly either without having to install some stuff via command line / terminal, which I wasn't comfortable doing (I commented about having to do this on another post elsewhere and some guy was like super aggressive about how I didn't need to, and was lying apparently... 🤷 )
Other than that, it's a been a pretty smooth experience. That's not sarcasm, its genuinely been interesting experience poking about and giving it a go. May just not be ready for my use case yet.
Hardware support is pretty damn good now, but may require some research beforehand to ensure you get a system with no driver gotchas. Honestly, I have more trouble with driver setup on Windows than on Linux these days. That said, I won't buy a computer that comes with any incompatibilities, so your experience may vary.
Gaming is easy on Linux now (assuming your system is set up properly) thanks to Steam's Linux compatibility layer, which is built with WINE. They also have it on the Steam Deck, so you've actually probably used it already, you just didn't know.
The only sticking point is Clip Studio Paint. Apparently it can be set up using WINE, but it's not going to be as good as a native experience. Or at least, that would be my guess.
Clip Studio Paint
Maybe OP should try Krita. From what I read on the CSP site, Krita has everything CSP has and then some: comic module, manga module, animations module, hundreds of brushes and effects,... the works. It also works fine with all the main art hardware. XP Pen even sponsors on of the contributors and their tablets work flawlessly out of the box.
Eidt: Krita also works in Windows so OP can try it before making up their mind.
@closetfurry @kde Please be slightly more specific regarding "anti-cheat". Do you play competitive shooter games? If yes, then you're probably out of luck for those unfortunately :(
Correct there. Not super competitive as a person, so I play casually for fun
Since most people don't use Linux, drivers and software aren't usually developed for it. Although, a reasonable company would develop just in case or help you get a solution, it's unusual. Most computers are supported, but there is very specific hardware that may not have support or you'll find bugs.
I'd recommend you to search (and test with an USB in Live mode) about your hardware and ask in communities about this specific topics. There are music communities, movies, math, streaming, etc.
And no, I don't think you'll find anticheat support because most Linux users don't want closed shady software modifying their kernel (but there are solutions being worked on).
drivers and software aren’t usually developed for [Linux].
This is not very accurate. Despite having a small user base, kernel developers add hundreds of drivers every new version, and the number of end user programs developed by communities (such as KDE and GNOME) and independent teams, has ballooned in recent years.
You generally need to get software and hardware that is compatible with your operating system and processor architecture. It’s true that the most used platforms will have the best support, but you have that problem with any OS.
And it’s also not like games with anti cheat generally don’t work with Linux. Proton+Steam does support Valve Anti-Cheat, Easy Anti-Cheat and BattlEye. It’s just that developers have to explicitly enable Linux support for EAC and BattlEye.
@closetfurry For Clip Studio Paint, Krita might be a very good alternative (and it also work on Windows)
For games, anti cheats are indeed still a huge pain :(
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social so my boss, not a programmer but he can run up a python script, goes to a DNA sequencing software conference
and those guys are hardcore, and they run Linux, cause that is where all the cutting edge software is
and my boss asks them: Linux on the desktop for everyday use
and all the hardcore guys go: NO, it is way to much trouble
In fairness it used to be a lot of trouble to set up and maintain a Linux desktop. That hasn't been true for years but the attitude didn't come from nowhere.
It is quite possible that my memory is from the slashdot era of comments like
"I put Linux on my laptop and then the wireless didn't work and it took me 3 hours on the help forum . ."
I'm curious when this was. A modern plasma desktop today just works. I have very, very little trouble with it. Conversely, my Windows machine (required for accessing my work VPN) is a nightmare of constant problems.
I'll take Things That Didn't Happen for $500, Alex
I personally know a lot of bioinformaticians that run linux on their desktops. If you live in the terminal you don't wanna be bothered with all Windows bs and linux comes with everything you need. Most don't even care about the DE that much.
@failedLyndonLaRouchite @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social There are more people currently running desktop Linux than ever owned an Apple II
@forrestguid @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
that might be interesting . .
I assume you can divide ~ 1e9 Win10 machines/6e6 appleII machines . .
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I use #gnulinux and KDE, now #kdeplasma since "I don't remember when" years, before the existence of #fedora.
I use it at work, home, to play videogames, for everything, and I can only recommend them. Step forward, respect yourself, take back your freedom and give them a chance.How will people download chrome?
Microsoft Store lets you download some browsers last I checked. You can also use
wingetwhich is also preinstalled in Windows.@elxeno @kde
Chocolatey. https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/GoogleChromeFirefox, preferably. Also done via Chocolatey. Web browsers for getting a software install is so stringy.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social "We turned your computer into a platform designed to bombard you with ads, full of useless bloatware, a system designed to pigeon hole you into using and paying for Microsoft products, which is unsafe to connect to the internet without an antivirus and which will break every time we force an update on you." = What Microsoft would say if they were honest describing Windows!
You complain about this and then throw an actual ad into people's faces
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
I love how you can run an entire computer using Linux using only a 64GB hard drive, and under 8GB of RAM and it'll still be faster than Windows 11.
Hell, my Raspberry Pis (4B) are still faster than my Windows 11 work machine (which has 32GB of memory and runs out of RAM every couple hours)If your work machine is running out of RAM it's either utter shit or you're doing something on it that you couldn't on a rpi lmao
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I wiped my drive and installed Linux on my primary deskyop the day I saw the first leaked screenshots of windows 11.
Never regretted it. And never going back.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Even though I don't prefer KDE Plasma as my desktop environment, I support this due to being #LibreSoftware and considering what it opposes.
@kde@lemmy.kde.social @kde@floss.social I bought office ( not a subscription, lives on my desktop). back in 2013 still works fine.
I keep getting upgrades. I know they will stop supporting one day…
Lately they keep pushing the 365 crap on me. I hate Google suite and am getting fed up with apple. May have to go back to pencil & paper and writing letters….
I still think the internet will collapse due to lack of privacy, scams & poor product development
Office 2013 support ended in April. It’s EOL. No more updates.
@oldredsubby @kde @kde libreoffice is a suite functionally as good as Microsoft, but is free software.
@oldredsubby
Libreoffice may be of interest. I agree with everything else. I have to use Google Docs for school, and I have strong dislike.GIVE ME COLUMNS IN HEADERS PLEASE G00G13!!! I AM REQUIRED TO USE THEM!!!
@kde@lemmy.kde.social @kde@floss.social
Plasma is a desktop environment and NOT a OS. Might want to know whet you are talking about before posting.
You are right. Also, a desktop environment, at least from an end user's perspective, is as part of the OS as a kernel, terminal, and its associated tools. We are just using the language that a non-techie can understand and act upon.
Either way, "operating system" is a woolly and ambiguous term that is hard to define precisely and changes meanings depending on who you ask. The common denominator in common non technical English seems to be "software that allows you to manage you hardware and applications". If that is so, yep, Plasma fits the bill.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Plasma=operating system ???!!!???🤔
Can you define "operating system" in common, non-technical English, as to an end user?
@SanchoPanza @kde @kde@lemmy.kde.social Sure it's not a full operating system but Plasma and the KDE Frameworks and apps are a large portion of the user space, has a lot of hardware integration and is that the user interact with not with the kernel directly.
@carlschwan @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
So if we pull out the kernel/Linux, we can run hardware and applications with Plasma/KDE?
@SanchoPanza @kde @kde@lemmy.kde.social Also it's way easier to communicate to non Linux users that Plasma is an operating system than a desktop environnement has Windows and macOS have no concept of desktop environnement.
Or do you call macOS aqua?
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I already use Plasma 5.27 on Debian GNU/Linux :bunhdhappy:
Though I cannot wait for Plasma 6!@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Using Gnome 45. Absolute adore it's out of the box polish. But yeah, Linux > Mac >>>>>>> Windows
@kde@lemmy.kde.social @kde@floss.social I bought office ( not a subscription, dits on my desktop). back in 2013 still works fine.
I keep getting upgrades. I know they will stop supporting one day…
Lately they keep pushing the 365 crap on me. I hate Google suite and am getting fed up with apple. May have to go back to pencil & paper and writing letters….
I still think the internet will collapse due to lack of privacy, scams & poor product development
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social A friendly reminder that Plasma is a DE and not an OS!
Loving your work btw!
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social extreme w, but i still can't forgive you for what you did smh
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I'm still waiting for a fully functional replacement for KDE 3.5.10. 😞
What's missing from Plasma 5.27 that you had in KDE 3.5.10?
@Bro666 Nostalgia for their youth :ablobpeek:
@Bro666 I wish Plasma had a panel that could fit this much utility into this little space. (Note also the stacked panel that Plasma does not support.) I also wish I didn't have to keep deleting org.kde.dolphin.FileManager1.service so KFind will stop opening things in Dolphin.
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I wish all those proclamations were achievable without a boat load of tradeoffs:
@tnypxl @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Like what?
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social KDE, I enjoy the software + the cute artwork, but please don't be rude to Microsoft!! They also include Linux and they like Linux too, so you and Microsoft should be friends :3
@01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
You can cuddle an alligator and it will eat you afterwards.
@01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Take it from an old-timer: Microsoft would crush KDE without a second thought if it ever grew beyond what they considered acceptable in the desktop/end user market share.
All the MS ❤️ Linux is at best for servers only, not anything that can benefit the common people. KDE aims for the common people.
At worst it is PR bullshit ( ⬅️ it's this one).
@Bro666 @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social oh that's bad :c I'm sorry for misunderstanding, I think both organizations should be fair to each other that's all, thank you so much for clarifying!! c:
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I love plasma for not being gnome but I'm tired of all the bugs I've got with each and every update on arch. Your stable channel is actually a forever beta channel.
At this point I'm just waiting and hoping Cosmic will be good enough.General reminder: if you find bugs in Plasma, please report them!
To @johnfocker@mamot.fr in particular: All software contains bugs, but if you could provide some examples of the ones you find most annoying, maybe we can see if they are already solved or look into their cause.
Uses Arch
Complains when things break
@johnfocker
I haven't had any bugs with either Plasma or Archlinux. What issues are you having?
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Never heard of Plasma, nor am I in linux ecosystem yet, but from brief googling Plasma telemetry and developer attitude towards it is concerning
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/f2bg69/kde_plasma_518_comes_with_builtin_telemetry_optin/
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
You mean the completely opt-in thing that is off by default and enables people to anonymously contribute user information so the developers know they're on the right track for new features, support, and updates?There's even a slider after you opt in to determine how much information you want to share. I'm concerned about software that develops with no user input.
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
It's open source, too. You can delete the whole module with a single click and a sudo if it bothers you. Try that on MacOS or Windows.@jex @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social @radioactiveradio While its FOSS, the telemetry is a slippery slope, and a single module now is the sign of a direction they've chosen. The flippant attitude of a developer mentioned in that reddit thread is worrying to say the least.
I'm aware its a single example about a project I know nothing about.
Been using it for over a year now and there's just one slider for telemetry that sends them anonymous desktop/KDE apps usage data, and you can limit how much you wanna send them. And i personally haven't heard of any controversy surrounding that. Also its opt in unlike windows.
The telemetry is transparent, you literally know everything that gets sent. You don't even have to read the source code, it deadass tells you. Unlike Windows.
Yep, and it's opt-in so if you've never turned it on explicitly, then it's off.
Seriously though, KDE's slider that lets you adjust how much / how little data to send (if any) is probably the best implementation of opt-in telemetry that I've seen in a while.
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Sorry, but this is a pretty opinionates post about a simple feature. Yes, KDE has Telemetry options. But these are entirely opt in, so unless you explicitely choose to send data you will never send data. The data that is being sent is fully transparent, as we have access to the source code. I belief it is mostly used for interface decisions (such as what window sizes are people using). So I cannot see the point.
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social is opt-in, not opt-out.
No telemetry gets collected unless you explicitly give permission (and they don't nag or try to trick you into giving it). Overall, KDE is incredibly good for privacy