Core Values

I mean, their use of 'THEN' rather than 'THAN' indicates that they'll soon adopt the socialist agenda, so there's still hope!
- Oh that is just beautiful.
- I actually now understand what was meant, because of your comment! I was like Why do they want to receive socialistic agenda later? Incredible what difference a wrong a/e can make! (I'm a non native english speaker, but I think it bothers me/I see it more than the actual natives)
  
  Glad I could help, in a fun way!
  Then/than and loose/lose mixups bother me every time I see them and it's "fun" to interpret them as written rather than as they intended!
- That fellow clearly just wants to become a heavily radical leftist, so he wants to maximize the jump he makes on the spectrum! Good on him!
  /s
  
  Exactly! They've got it all planned out!

This is just basic psychology. It takes a long time to change someone's political beliefs, and it isn't effective to just argue with people, even with facts. Interestingly, one way to get people to change their opinion is to frame things in terms of how it affects them and their family.
- It took me...I'd say 2 years from being a full conservative to a left-leaning independent. And then another 2 years to being a moderate to progressive liberal.
  It does happen. But some people are so rooted in their political identity that they will never change.
  
  That’s pretty much the process I went through ~20 years ago. The individual has to care about actual evidence and truth rather than the “truth = agree with me” crap that is common.
  I think a big, big part of it is realizing that the people on your side are not necessarily arguing in good faith just because they’re on the “correct” team.
  And that’s a pretty big deal when “just ignore that, it’s not real” is a deep core practice of your team.
  
  Oh God you said the L word
  
  The liberals in government need a little help, we should all unionize too so they won't have to focus as much on worker's rights. Like even shut down the rails if we need to. They can become the moderate option to keep things running.
- Also: One conversation might not change someone completely but it can be part of a process. Be happy when people open up and don't try to convince everyone at once. Leave them with a good feeling, that will be more effective than having all the facts right and be angry with them. They will more likely think about it and change their view eventually (looking at you Alex, the first vegan I ever met and who left me with a good impression)
- Yeah but usually people aren't this self aware
- You think cognitive dissonance is a bug that they would take to realize they are wrong. But it is a core feature of far right ideologies
- Exactly, and to anyone reading this: the absolute DUMBEST most useless form of communication is insulting someone you don't agree with. I see it way too much here to be honest. All that does is make you feel better (masturbation) while it makes the recipient more defensive, less inclined to listen, and it reenforces their beliefs that the "opposite side" is just full of angry ignorant people.
  If the purpose of your attempt at communication was actual communication and understanding then insulting someone is completely antithetical to that.
- Hey covid will still kill you even if you call it a hoax.
  Rep: you God damn liberals are ruining this county Several family members die
  Rep: they died of pneumonia not covid covid is a hoax and a Chinese bioweapon.
  Like I can't tell that they actually give a fuck about reality anymore even when they can directly see it killing them they still deny it.
  
  That's a different problem. Too much propaganda from right wing interests.
- Meanwhile people still saying they’d rather be intubated than having taken a vaccine, cursing it with their last breath. Repeated story countless times in hundreds of hospitals
  
  Meanwhile people still saying they’d rather be intubated than having taken a vaccine
  I only wish they get what they ask for.
- I always had the weird thought that maybe conservatives could be convinced into reason if socialistic ideals were reframed to "sound" more conservative. Sadly I suck at anything relating to politics so eh.
  
  That's how I've framed raising the minimum wage to some hard right co workers.
  Why should my tax dollars subsidize Walmart, McDonald's and these other companies that pay minimum wage knowing their workers will be on welfare? If your business has to pay a wage that has to be compensated by the government, it's a failing business.
  
  Due to how I look and where I work, conservatives constantly assume I am one too. I used to discuss/debate them about their views. I gave that up. Now I just say I disagree so that even if they tell others that everyone that talk to agrees with them, somewhere in the back of the their mind they know that’s not true.
  
  Everyone should be a business owner!
  
  Not just a thought, these people don't think through their political beliefs (to be fair many people don't, but most others don't make it a core part of themselves either), it's mostly just aesthetics for them.
- The elephant and the rider
- For stupid people, that might be true.
  
  Nothing to do with intelligence I promise.

This picture sums it up pretty well too.

Lmaoooo just in time for Thanksgiving dinner. 😆 Good luck to all the lemmings out there who have to deal with conservative family members today/tonight.
- To those that are about to dine, we salute you!

*than
Unless you meant that all conservatists gladly convert to socialist views once confronted with true information.
That one word changes the meaning of the meme drastically. ;)

Where in the US is there socialist agenda?
Our choices are either a stripped rights corporatacracy or full on fascism.
- Yes but these people think nancy pelosi is a socialist.
- Medicare, Military, Social Security, Minimum wages and bailouts for banks and billionaires. All forms of wealth distribution but god forbid your country actually implement national healthcare in a way that truly benefits everyone.
  
  social democracy =/= socialism

The core values of libertarianism: (god I wish I saved the original reddit comment, oh well I'll paraphrase)
"Yes it's fascist pseudoscience with no basis in reality, however it's still a useful theory so I'm going to continue to believe it"
- Tbh I was confused for a second and then thought. "Oh... Right-wing libertarianism!"
  
  Where do you live that after reading "libertarianism" first thing you think about is left?

Ok genuinely This has to be satire
Please I beg

This has to be satire, right?
- You'd like to think that, but I've heard multiple people say "better wrong than liberal" without any sarcasm over recent years. This is absolutely a belief of some.
- Poe's law: on the internet, it's nearly impossible to tell.
  
  This but unironically
- I really doubt it. Have you seen reality? I wish the whole thing was satire.
- I've seen it enough that it could be a meme or it could be a disturbing trend.
- it was some dude on Facebook responding to a post about fake news
  I don't think it was satire
- even if this specific example were, the law of large numbers means there's a very high likelihood that at least one person really holds this attitude.

It says then not than, the person wants to be enlightened
- Than. THAN.

I think you said the unspoken part out loud.

Marxist Leninists when they haven't ignored 150 years of contemporary political science for sixteen microseconds
- Which parts exactly?
  
  Mostly the parts where autocracy doesn't liberate the workers. Even temporarily.
  
  All of them.
- You better be quiet before you summon the bears.

Dunking on an anonimized FB post with 0 likes that seemingly no conservative seems to agree with
This is like punching the dummy in Varrock order to get level 8 debating