XMPP Server?
XMPP Server?
I'm looking to try self-hosting an XMPP server for my family to use as a secure communication platform. I realize that end2end encryption with XMPP doesn't seem as strong as something like Matrix but my self-hosted Matrix server has been very unreliable.
I'm looking for recommendations and resources. I'v considered running Prosody and Openfire but both of them look like a pretty involved installation process with plenty of room to fuck up. Does anyone know of something similar to matrix-ansible-install for an XMPP server? Should I be looking at something besides Prosody or Openfire?
Please, no YouTube tutorials. I prefer written instructions.
I realize that end2end encryption with XMPP doesn’t seem as strong as something like Matrix
Who told you this bit of misinformation? OMEMO e2ee on XMPP is significantly "stronger" than what Matrix does (which is a watered down version).
Snikket mentioned below is probably the easiest to get started with.
Nobody told me this, it was just lack of information on my part. Matrix makes a big deal about end2end encryption but Prosody and Openfire don't seem to put that point out front.
Prosody and Openfire are servers while end-to-end encryption happens on the client side (that's why it's called end-to-end). It would be kind of strange if a server implementation talks about E2EE. The OMEMO protocol only needs server features which are widely implemented. Maybe there is an ancient XMPP server implementation out there that doesn't support it, but you will be fine with Prosody, Snikket, ejabberd or anything else really.
Self hosting XMPP works well for most internal things. IMHO communication software that you’re relying on shouldn’t be hosted at home.
Both of those that you mentioned are great. I’ve used ejabberd in addition to that. I think prosody is better. Here’s a link to a list of more servers.
Another option since XMPP can do E2EE is use conversations.im it is my go to for XMPP hosting.
Being that this community is for self-hosting I prefer to keep all of my services self-hosted. I have seen that list from a Google search already but thank you anyway.
I’m wasn’t implying that you shouldn’t host it yourself at all. Just maybe use a VPS for hosting it yourself.
Getting buy in on the family & friends aspect is being able to match or exceed the popular free services. If there’s a perception that it’s not reliable then it’s highly unlikely they’ll keep using it. So the last thing you want is to have something happen to your internet connection, NAS, etc. At the end of the day it’s the pesky perception equals reality thing that dooms things like this and tanks the spouse approval factor.
@stown@sedd.it take a look at #Snikket
Is a semplified Prosody-like server you can install with docker.And OMEMO is a very good enryption protocol, same as Signal.
Thank you! I appreciate the tip. Install instructions already look much clearer.
I realize that end2end encryption with XMPP doesn’t seem as strong as something like Matrix
This isn't true.
Might it be easier to upgrade to Matrix 2.0? Haven't tested it but it's supposed to be like 80x faster and more reliable.
I'm done with Matrix for now and I want to see if XMPP will work for me.
Fair enough. I'm not a big fan of Matrix anyway. Just thought it might be easier for you.
What about... just NO.
Matrix is developed by a for profit entity, a group of venture capitalists and having a spec doesn’t mean everything. The way Matrix is designed is to force into jumping through hoops and kind of draw all attention to Matrix itself instead of the end result
For all the people about to downvote:
Decentralized communication protocol Matrix shifts to less-permissive AGPL open source license Element, the company and core developer behind the decentralized communication protocol known as Matrix, has announced a notable license change that will make the open source project just that little bit less appealing for companies looking to build on top of it.
The fact that the ccc uses matrix as their official chat "app" doesn't imply that it is inherently insecure I would say.
moving to AGPL is "less permissive" than the apache license they currently use? no. this is just plain wrong. the supposedly less-permissive part is the CLA they are asking contributors to sign so they can dual-license the software in some situations, but the CLA isn't even written yet and they are actively listening to feedback from the community to determine how best to shape this license agreement so that all parties are happy.
this is FUD.
There is also jabberd2 if you are brave enough to use software that's no longer updated.