1y ago

Top 50 defederated instances

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Jesus one is just called pedo school. What the actual fuck
- The internet. It's a fucked up place. Nothing like what the big players on the internet would have you believe.
  So long as there exists a way for people to not get prosecuted, these things will exist.
  
  Realistically, the more accessible the internet becomes the more it reflects the behavior of humanity at large.
  These things exist because they're part of us. The internet probably makes them more visible, but I doubt it makes them more extant.
- How to spot a honey pot 101
  
  Really hope so

This is a real rogues gallery of internet. And… a soccer team from Detroit. What the fuck did those guys do?
- Enjoy soccer - the most heinous of social crimes
  
  Best sport in the world. Football is more than just FIFA etc, you know? Getting children to play and have fun is good. Me and my friends playing football is also good. But yeah, just boil everything down to how corps fuck things up.
  Lol why the f do I get downvoted for this.
- As someone from Detroit, I checked out the link for that instance, and uhhhh I wish I hadn't.
  
  Yeah, I did the same. I was thinking, "cool, an instance close to home... Oh God.. no... No no no"
  
  Oh my, I live in MI and I always thought the DC fans were sort of wholesome. People taking pride in their city and building traditions. I’m not going to find out what you saw there but it bums me out.
- I'll always have mad respect for Hockeytown/Motown/De-troit Motor City. Fuck around with them and you'll get politefully wrecked.

Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected "racism" when defederating so it's probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it's a lot of "other" or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.
- You're looking for this: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/censured. Us instance admin can also endorse other instances.
  
  As an instance owner, thank you. Going to use this a lot
  
  db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com is one cool dude. Their fingerprints are all over Lemmy in an obviously much needed manner. I'm glad I joined their instance.
  
  Sooooo much CSAM and lolicon on there. Disgusting. One question tho, what does "map" mean in this context?
  
  They've defederated from a bunch for no reason including lemmyunchained.net which is what I use. But I still see posts, why is that?
  
  What's up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.
  
  What does “altfedi” mean? And what content is illegal in Germany and Czechia?
  
  What does kiwifarm mean?
- mugicha.club is anbandoned right?

half are pedo servers 💀
- And the rest are racist.
  Took a look through some of the ones with tame names out of morbid curiosity; not that interesting tbh. Just hope I'm not on a watchlist now.
  
  Last time I checked reading a racist comment makes you a racist
  
  Now that's not entirely fair. Some are both.

The name “cum.salon” just kills me
- freespeechextremist
  ...
  freecumextremist
  got me
  
  Filthy, dirty, terrorists forcing their thick, white, ideology on my eyeballs!
  
  The fact that it is a registered domain is just class.
  
  The second would be funny for Ben garrison edits.
  
  Sound like fed honeypots to me

I've never heard of any of these.
Awesome
- Sees a bunch of "freeze speech" including "freespeechextremist"- lol the classic
  Sees "freecumextremist"- oh no, the classic!

I wonder how many of these are defederated from each other too.
Is it all unity among the nazi-pedos or are they fighting amongst each other?
- That sounds like a Horror-Movie. Nazi-Pedos: they come for your Arian children.
  
  Real life is worse than any horror movie, unfortunately.
  
  Historically, Nazis weren't actually picky about their rape victims.
  It was a bad time to be a woman in a Nazi ghetto.
- There are all combinations out there, be it pro-pedo-Nazis, anti-pedo-Nazis, and anti-Nazi-pedos. There is no obvious link between the two.
  
  Dang no anti-pedo anti-Nazis
  
  you forgor pro-nazi pedos
- The nazi-pedo bubbles.🤮 You'd have to go to their instances to see, a lot of lemmy instances have the blocked list public (sometimes there's the link at the bottom of the page) Example Example2
  
  a lot of lemmy instances have the blocked list public
  SDF is not one of them
  Another example, from lemmy.ml
- @tryptaminev @witchdoctor Depends

Huh. I would have bet Lemmygrad would be up there somewehre.
- Places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are actually pretty benign. They're just on the verge of being acceptable to people so they make a lot of noise and cause a lot of drama but in terms of the actual bad actors... well, as you can see, they don't even rate.
  
  Agreed. While I tend to disagree with most of the viewpoints coming from lemmygrad, at least the content is posted with benign intent. The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.
  
  Meh, I don't really find the open mass murder fetish benign at all. I don't care what color your fash is, it's still abhorrent.
- I think this highlights what people think when they hear "defederating" vs its actual purpose. It's controversial when it's between serious instances that people actually use but with wildly incompatible opinions, but there's very few objections when it's blocking CSAM!
  
  Okay, yeah this was my thought as I wrote this, I won't deny it. But to be fair, LemmyGrad does more than just to be controversial. They provoke and brigade and justify terrible Crimes against Humanity. And I might bet that some of the Stuff they say could even be illegal here in Germany.
  
  I'd imaging its fur and anime, not CSAM.
- I think lemmygrad isn’t that bad considering pedo.school is halfway through the list.
  
  True, but LemmyGrad can be wild too. I met one who claimed being Homosexual is imperialistic. https://lemmy.world/post/4494303
- I bet a large part of the Fediverse are Communist/Socialist too, or have similar ideas. Lemmy's devs are, after all.
  I mean, the whole thing is based on the idea of being free to use for everyone.
  
  I see your Point. I see myself also as rather left. But the People over at Lemmygrad are not really left imo. They are authoritarian, for sure. But left? I don't know. I don't want to claim to be the sole "Incarnation of leftism" it's just that many of my views and beliefs are the opposite of theirs.
- Probably they don't disturb the large number of Mastodon instances.
  
  Lemmy is not able to disturb Mastodon as much as other microblogging instances.
- Nobody on a Lemmy instance is able to follow accounts (like on Mastodon or /kbin). Thus, Lemmy will not fetch anything from Mastodon unless written specifically to a threadiverse community (and the community being CCed). Because of this, Lemmy instance are less harmful, than (potentially) any microblogging server (be it Mastodon, Pleroma, Soapbox, key, etc.)

This actually gives me hope. The biggest Instances coming together to stand up for good values and fight off vermin like Nazis, Pedos and other pests of Humanity.

Pedo.school... cmon man
- Is that bait? I don't even want to test it. lol
- It gives a 500 error, don't worry. It was probably blocked by the hosting

TIL there's a LOT of instances that lemmy world etc are not federated with... For good reason
- https://gui.fediseer.com/ is sooo cool. ❤️db0

seal.cafe, cawfee.club and sleepy.cafe sure got welcoming names. Given the number of defederations, I doubt the contents are anything like the names.
- Most of them were automatically defederated for not having adequate protection against bot signups, that got nothing to do with sketchy content.
  
  As someone interested in both sides of security game theory, what exactly helps stop bots? I grew up playing RuneScape and hating bots before making r/Artisanvideos and hating them even more. I've always wondered if it's a matter of automatically detecting precise repetitive patterns or just specific giveaway signs.
  
  If the bots are welcomed and they don’t have good enough moderation, this is just sketchy content with extra steps.
- An online cafe dedicated to harvesting baby seal fur SEEMED like a good idea...
  
  I have an idea.. A cafe for baby seal fur from self defence only.. That's a great idea!

The owner of poa.st, Graf is cringe and an idiot.
pawoo.net got taken down for CSAM.
The people behind Gab can't code themselves out of a paper beg. They got hacked 3 times.
- Thanks hal
  
  No problem, Dave.
- Pawoo is still online.

This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles
- A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.
  The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.
  Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).
  
  I'll play the devil's advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let's use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it's something that doesn't exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let's assume it does.
  You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.
  What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?
  (Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)
  
  Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.
  Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids...
  I'd even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of "normal" adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.
- Most pedos are nazis and vice versa.
  
  I don't think there's a reliable source for that claim, but it's mean to two groups I don't like and is therefore true

This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.
Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.
- That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It's like people hate content discovery for some reason.
  
  It's almost like federation is a stupid fucking idea that doesn't work
  It's almost like it's fundamentally broken and no one else wants to admit it
- there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?
  
  Nominally, you'd need to go through some request process to request federation with other large instances. Then they'd vet your configuration before adding you.
  
  I'm actually thinking of doing the same for myself.
- Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.

Some of these im... Curious about. Presumably the names are dog whistles (when they're not just openly stating their purpose)... But IDK the whistle so I'm curious af.
Not curious enough to get put on some list by actually checking them out though lol
- Most of these are gonna be pedo/lolicon stuff, closely followed by unmoderated hate and spam instances.
  
  I have no idea what lolicon is
  
  Oh those hate sites are very closely moderated. They know exactly what kind of content they want on there and anything else gets the boot.
  
  But like...
  Free cum extremist?!? Porn and radical political views in the same place? I'm intrigued!
  I'm honestly most curious about wolfgirl because that just sounds like furry shit, but nobody hates furries that much, so what dog whistle am I missing???
- try ’em out with Tor – get onto a federal list and an NSA list at the same time …
- "cum.salon" sounds thrilling. I both want it to be exactly what it says it is, but also, something completely different.
  
  Imagine getting a haircut and a handy at the same time.
  
  Free cum extremist?!?! Sounds exhilarating

It's funny/sad the stark contrast between the ones where you can't really tell why they're defederated from just the name vs the ones where it's extremely obvious (and how little in-between there is)

Not aware of any of these, which is nice, but iddqd caught my eye since that's a Doom reference! Overall I always thought the Doom community was pretty positive (at least going by Doomworld forums, and various Doom streamers, as I remember them). I thought surely it must be some misunderstanding! Oh maybe they didn't reply quickly enough to take down some drive-by hate speech, but that was it.
Anyway, holy shit, do not go to that lemmy instance. It's rotten to the core. I'm going to go take a shower and play through Episode 1 to cleanse myself now.
- It's pretty standard 4chan-NEET fare, for anyone who is wondering. Racism, homophobia, xenophobia, trad wives, and quasi-pro-nazi shit.
  Not worth your time to check out. Small community of sad nerds.
  
  4chan wasn't like that before 2015. Well, except for the racism part. It was leftish/libertarian.
  It's also the easiest "social media" platform to game. You don't have to make up a history for each user. You don't have to get upvoted. You don't even really need to make sense.
- iddqd was a well known cheat code from the era, not exactly obscure if not contemporary.
- The Doom fandom will always have the dark shadow of the Columbine High School deaths in its history. So shitty people using Doom to be shitty people isn't that far from the mark. Nothing will ever change that, sorry.
  
  Yeah...

What did poa.st do? All I know is that fashy HAL guy in the comments thinks the head mod is cringe and stupid and that seems like a good quality. Lots of very specific rules against cp tho which is a big red flag
- It hosts Nazis. I don't use that term hyperbolically; I'm talking about accounts with swastika emojis in their display names saying things like "the holocaust wasn't real but it should have been".
  The path for said custom emoji is emoji/custom/windmilloffriendship.png, which I do not wish to link directly.
  
  Yeah and a bunch of them got doxed which I won't link to here

Truth Social is mastodon? 😂
- Yes it is: https://help.truthsocial.com/legal/open-source/
  
  TIL that clown couldn't even build a unique message board.
- So is Gab, but they got defederated by pretty much the entire network so fast that they just gave up and disabled federation on their own end
  
  Who are they and why are they shunned?
  
  Shame. I enjoy laughing at people

If the FBI are on here, they'd better work harder
- Maybe its their instances and those are honeypots
  
  Maybe its their instances and those are just the way they are
  
  Apparently it is rather easy to gather personal data as an instance owner, so it really makes you wonder.

Imagine calling this cancel culture
- On point:
  https://youtu.be/YMlFhJKUhgg?feature=shared

Surprised Gab isn't the record holder, it was the big deal example the fediverse advocates held up as how awesome the fediverse is at moderating itself, especially the "defed if federated with" rule instances started using to actually quarantine the users from Gab
- Gab federates no more.

Newbie question here... What's the difference between federated and de-federated?
- So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don't block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.
- Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.
  Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.
  It's usually done to combat content you don't want on your instance
  
  Ok ok... So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it's almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?
  Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.
- Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can't see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.

What was iddqd? My guess is gore, but not interested to check.
- From the site:
  IDDQD: Instance For /vr/, /tg/, /g/, etc.
  In other words an offshoot of 4chan's gaming-related boards (vg - Retro Gaming, tg - Traditional Gaming, g - Gaming). Unfortunately it's 4chan, so....
  
  /g/ is the technology board, not gaming
  
  IDDQD is a cheat for the original Doom, as a random fun-fact. God mode, iirc.
- I was.
  It is basically a bunch of low quality shitposts between 3 people.
  Disappointing.
- Dam thats an awesome instance name
  
  Looks like it's just following the pattern of racist shitheads cooping cool shit and being shitty about them. Like Pepe, the Punisher, and now this one's using Doom.

I wonder why gameliberty.club is the only Mastodon instance in this list that uses the old blue logo.
- Because they are still on version 3
  
  Right

Why was Alex Gleason defederated?
- I think he was employed by truth social for a while, and it might have been just because of his prior involvement as a programmer. But could be wrong about him working there or wrong about that being the reason.
- @JakeFarm @witchdoctor Too based for the leftoid soyboy fedi instances.
  
  Username checks out
  
  Too cringe

Where/how is this obtained?
I'm curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.
- Where/how is this obtained?
  I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.
  fba.ryona.agency
  Be aware that it doesn't track when lemmy instances defederate from other fediverse instances correctly and hasn't for months, and that it's run someone from one of those 50 defederated instances.

WHAT COULD POA.ST HAVE DONE TO GET THAT MANY DEFEDERATIONS
edit: scrolled down in the comments to find my answer

Anyone have a lemmy list?

What's with Pawoo.net? Figured it was something but it's all Japanese.
- I think it's an NSFW instance of questionable legality (i.e. underage material that's prohibited in most countries except Japan).
  
  It's drawings, you can say that, no need to muddle the water.
  
  I thought drawn child pornography was legal in more places but apparently its only about 8 counties. Bafflingly this isn't one of the things the EU has a united front on. Funnily there are a lot more countries that ban all pornography than there are countries that allow some porn but not fictional child porn.

Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what's in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.
- I checked. Mostly a handful-of-people instance doing whatever on some Pleroma/Akkoma instance. Not much to see there and not much of what I could see there seemed to make much sense to me. Perhaps the defeds are mostly preventative but I cannot tell.

Well, a few people have already pointed out the nastiest sounding one, so I’ll go with wolfgirl.bar
Pretty sure I’d want eye bleach after that.
- Or of curiosity, what’s bad about that one? I’m a person who likes animal peepz, but if they’ve been defederated there’s gotta be more to it that “wolf girls the server”
  Quick edit: I went there and I need an account to see stuff, which id rather not do if this server has issues.
  
  I looked it up through the link somebody shared on the comments here and the admin is a neonazi.
  
  Good question. I was only talking about my own personal tastes. I don’t know what would be objectively worthy of defederation, because what you’re talking about is fine.
  
  It should be shunned and defederated so the degenerate furries hide and learn shame

Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then
- I hope not, it was a toxic shit hole filled with complete fucking losers.
- Not sure why this is downvoted, but's been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.
  
  coordinating bullying with the intent of causing suicide is frowned upon
  
  Cause kiwifarmers are degens
  
  Not sure why this is downvoted
  Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it's unkillable.

This is the reason why Lemmy doesn't grow as much as it could. Keep defederating until all instances are single islands with 10 users each and no useful content.
- Yes, I'm sure the reason we don't grow is because we refuse to federate with nazi and pedo content. Oh what will the fediverse do without these folks.
  
  Yeah sure, in the same way that piracy was defederated or other multiple instances about nothing illegal.
- Name one reason why anyone should federate with any of the listed instances. I'll wait.
  
  Just because there are bad places on the street it doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to go there.
- None of these instances are Lemmy (or anything other on threadiverse)
- To a degree. I think lemmy wont grow because only socially inept nerd losers frequent this site.
  
  What about everything else that isn't "socially inept nerd losers" that is also defederated because someone felt like it. This is the same issues that we've with "freedom of speech", if you block some it's a slippery slope and you'll eventually block what you shouldn't. Look I don't approve the actions and content those people post, for let's not open precedents here.

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