Spoderman

It's not that it's "not a big deal." It's that he's still the better of the two realistic possibilities. No Republican running for president will be harder on Israel than Biden is being (which is, admittedly, in no way hard), and they are all far worse on other metrics important to the left.

Liberals: "Jeez this genocide is detestable for what it's doing to Biden's polling."

That comes with the boldest admission I’ve ever seen, that we as the entire rest of the world are uniformly unwilling to stand by and protect the Jewish people in our communities and countries. Fuck that. No, we must protect our Jewish neighbors, we must be willing to take in Jewish refugees of antisemitism. We must take it upon ourselves be the place where Jews are safe. Saying Israel is the source of Jewish safety is a fucking cop out and it’s a disgusting one at that.

What total horse shit. Mark Zuckerberg's safety is in no way conditioned on the existence of Israel.

But Biden isn't a liberal (in conventional US usage anyway) and I doubt he'd describe himself as one. He's an establishment centrist if there ever was one.

Source: My rectum

Imo the just feels weird because mass murder shouldn't be a "just". It should be somewhat near a penultimate, but compared to genocide...

to add further. muslims are not a race.

Israel I’m sure would love it if all the Palestinians they couldn’t kill were forced into Egypt.

Your point presumes Palestinians SHOULD cede Gaza to Israel to escape being killed.

That's because genocide denial is usually frowned upon by people with fully functioning brains.

The trick is to wait until the abyss stares back, and to smile at it.

EDIT: My bad, I thought this was from another Israel Palestine thread I roped myself into.

I feel bad for everyone involved though.

and hunt down Nazis who fled into hiding.

Give it a break. One of Israel's staunchest allies since the start was West Germany - which enthusiastically co-operated with Israel while Israel was fully aware that it's intelligence services were jam-packed with nazis. Israel only hunted the nazis that were convenient to hunt.

Birds of a feather and all that.

Funny. I looked at my calendar and thought it was 1356 with the way you all are talking and acting.

You'll learn to take a step back and view situations objectively one day, far in the future, when you grow up. Perhaps 2095.

This is by design on the part of Hamas though. It doesn't excuse the situation, but it does make it more complicated especially with regard to intent, which has to matter when considering charges of genocide.

I think their point is that: of course it's not the intention to wipe them out, because if it was, it would already have been done on Oct 8th. Which isn't a terrible argument.

Hamas has stated it wants to genocide Israel, and their actions match that. Indiscriminate rocket fire, suicide bombing, invading etc. essentially everything they can do.

By contrast Israel has not (officially) said they want to genocide Palestine, and they aren't using even a fraction of the weapons at their disposal. Personally, I see their actions more as angry and sloppy. What's the alternative, that they're going to kill hundreds of people a day for the next years? That's ridiculous.

Exactly. "Leftists" refuse to acknowledge that Russia is doing genocide in Ukraine.