We're the creators of Lemmy, Ask Us Anything. Starts Monday, 7 Aug, 1500 CEST
This is an opportunity for any users, server admins, or interested third parties to ask anything they'd like to @nutomic@lemmy.ml and I about Lemmy. This includes its development and future, as well as wider issues relevant to the social media landscape today.
Note: This will be the thread tmrw, so you can use this thread to ask and vote on questions beforehand.
How do you see Lemmy working with duplicate communities on different instances? For example if Lemmy.World and Lemmy.ml have a PersonalFinance community, are people expected to cross-post? Or have you conceived of a system to allow people to find the right community efficiently?
Any plans for improving SEO? One of Reddit’s biggest strengths was being able to get very relevant results with a simple internet search. In time can you see something similar for Lemmy, even with its decentralized nature? I really you for doing this, thank you for your time!
Right now, instances with transphobic and racist content like exploding-heads are still listed on join-lemmy.org.
Are you planning to implement a Server Convenant like on joinmastodon.org?
To be listed on joinmastodon.org, an instance needs “Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia”.
I'm gonna be asking hard questions, I think, sorry about that. I hope you consider it tough love considering our past interactions.
As an instance admin, I have some questions:
How are you doing? I know there was a lot of pressure when things blew up and it seems to be calming down a bit now.
How is Lemmy doing financially?
Considering past releases and their associated breaking bugs (including 0.18.3), what measures are you taking to help prevent that?
Can we consider the possibility of downgrades being supported?
Why are bugs affecting moderation not release blockers? Does anything block releases?
Are there plans to give instance administrators a voice in shaping the future of Lemmy's development?
As someone who is trying to help with Lemmy's development, I have some other questions:
What do you think are the biggest problems with Lemmy as a software project and what are your priorities for Lemmy?
Considering fairly low amounts of developers contributing to Lemmy, how are you working to help new people get into the project?
Do you worry about the message it sends to potential contributors when the main developers are working on a different project which competes with the former? (Example: Lemmy-ui vs Lemmy-ui-Leptos)
Considering most work is done voluntarily, how are you trying to organize and prioritize work?
Do you believe you are stretching yourself too thin between Lemmy, Lemmy-ui, Lemmy-ui-leptos, Jerboa and Lemmy.ml? If so, what are you doing to help you focus?
As platform developers, do you have any thoughts about ActivityPub? Positive/negative critiques, needed developments (in your opinions), usage gripes or tips for other platform devs, future predictions?
As devs of (now) the second largest platform next to mastodon (by some metrics), which are probably as distinct platforms can be in terms of format, do you have any views on interoperability between platfroms over ActivityPub, where a common critique (AFAIK), from *diaspora devs for example, is that sharing posts/information of different formats just doesn't work well over AtivityPub and so is one of its major flaws?
Arguably the fediverse has so far sought to replicate the corporate big-social platforms ... should new design evolution occur now and if so how?
Much has been made by some of how the lack of user-friendliness of the fediverse really isn't anything to celebrate and should be taken more seriously by users and devs alike (see, eg, Erin Kissane who focuses on mastodon). However much this applies to lemmy (where issues of user mobility probably do apply), do you think the fediverse needs a better story around catering to user needs?
Do you have any thoughts on the server-based architecture of the fediverse (where all user accounts are bound to a particular user) and whether alternative architectures have a future or could be better (p2p, more single-user based for instance)?
Should lemmy and the fediverse seek to grow with any and all users or seek to stay relatively small and limited to ensure a healthy cutlure?
Journalism and journalists ... should they be on the fediverse (like the BBC recently with their own mastodon instance) ... and if so, how?
What are the biggest or proudest moments you've had with Lemmy so far, and the worst or most embarrassing?
How does it feel to have so many users using and developing against your software?!
Any plans to improve the sorting algorithm so that there's a good balance of fresh posts at the top that's also fairly active? And to help promote smaller communities that would have otherwise been dominated by the posts from bigger instances.
Any concerns about duplicate communities across multiple instances? People have made the argument that it's like having different flavors of subreddits on Reddit, but it's a flawed analogy. Individual instances have incentive to make their own communities flourish, whether or not there's a duplicate already available.
As some instances grow, server costs are becoming significant. Right now, servers are only funded through donations. Do you see the development of anything else to help fund server costs?
I'm not asking anything because I'm a potato when it comes to software. I just wanted to drop by and say: thank you both for Lemmy. The platform is amazing, and it's clear that you guys are pouring some heavy love (and labour hours) in it, as it's improving at an amazing pace.
First of all, I'd like to say thank you and that I appreciate your work. Lemmy is great and I've found a new home (at least for the foreseeable future). I first joined lemmy.ml once I learned about lemmy, and I have to say I had a good experience there. You guys even responded directly to my noob questions, and I honestly felt welcome which helped me decide to stay.
My questions are about account migration. As you may have already seen, I'm not with lemmy.ml anymore. The reason is I saw you guys stickied a post encouraging users to use different instances (since the server was having trouble with the influx of redditors at that time). I figured I'd help by first moving to a smaller instance. I have no regrets, although switching was a bit tricky since I had to start from scratch.
What are your thoughts on account migration? Is it in the works or is it something that's a little far into the future? No pressure since I know you guys are busy with other stuff.
Hi! This isn't really a question, but I was a former admin on Lemmy.ml and I just want to say that I really appreciated the opportunity to be on your team and it was a really valuable experience for me! I'm no longer an admin due to inactivity and personal life events causing me to no longer have the time to serve such a role, but I enjoyed the time I was and I really hope I was able to make a positive contribution to the instance!
Thank you for your continued work developing this project and running your instance comrades! This is still by far my favourite fediverse platform, actually, favourite social media in general. I intend to continue using both Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad and I hope I can continue to contribute by using Lemmy when I have the chance!
First, just want to say thanks for building and maintaining Lemmy. It's an incredible project, and it provides an incredibly valuable public forum that's completely open. This is the way internet was always meant to work before it got hijacked by corporations.
The questions I'd like to ask would be whether the platform is developing in the way you originally envisioned, what surprised you in terms of how the platform ended up being used in the wild, and what were the biggest technical and non technical problems that came from the rapid growth after the Reddit migration. And finally, how would you like the platform to evolve going forward, and what your long term vision is.
With so many growing instances, were finding a lot of duplicate communities within each one, wich results in a lot of duplicate posts by cross posters.
Do you think it will be possible to aggregate similar communities together in some way?
Have you considered a feature like “sibling community”?
What I mean is, for example, car community on server 1 marks itself as a sibling community to a car community on server 2. Similarly server 2 marks itself as a sibling community to server 1, ie it is two-way.
When communities have been linked bi-directionally, any post and comment are shared between the two sibling communities.
This would allow bigger communities to form out of smaller communities, thereby preventing discussions from being fragmented and showing the true size of Lemmy, across servers.
Are there any plans to make an upvote history log available for users to view? I loved looking back over my upvoted content occasionally, but now I have to specifically save them to be able to keep track of them.
Since you're very upfront with your political preferences, how much did it play a role in motivating you to create Lemmy? Was it a tech experiment first and a political project second?
Do you have some kind of core principle to not let your political preferences excessively interfere with your role as founders, main developers and moderators of Lemmy?
Thanks for your work, it's projects like that keep the ideal of the open internets alive.
I'm gonna ask some tough questions, but I am hopeful to get a response. Thank you for all that you do.
Do you envision NSFW content having a place in the federation safely? And if so, would lemmy.ml ever refederate with NSFW instances? What would it take for that to happen?
How do you feel about lemmy.world being the proto "default" lemmy instance right now, especially on Sync app. Some have expressed concern about it causing centralization on the platform, others are hoping that people will spread out.
Do you anticipate making a distinction between NSFW and pornographic content at all? And taking that a step further potentially, is implementing activitypubs content warnings on the road map?
Thanks for both of your work on Lemmy, join-lemmy, lemmy-ui and Jerboa.
Can you tell us about any upcoming major features/issue resolutions in development currently, if there are any?
Will Lemmy have any form of cross-instance community/post grouping, similar to multi-reddits, hashtags, "alliances" or categories? Although some Lemmy apps have implemented something along those lines, it could be more fully-implemented in the official backend/frontend. I've been thinking Lemmy has desparately needed it to help solve some of the fragmentation problems across instances. It would also help avoid one instance necessarily having all the content, ballooning in both running costs and control.
Do you think 'normies' (people with very very little technical knowledge/experience) will be able to come to a decentralized platform like lemmy? Can a platform be successful long term (especially in niche areas) without that super huge low effort part of the user base?
First off, thank you for this awesome platform and for being my first real experience with contributing to FOSS, I learned quite a bit and I had a lot of of fun! I really hope Rust ends up becoming the new standard in web backends instead of Java with Spring/Springboot.
The only question I have that hasn't already been asked is about the legal side of things:
What are you responsible for as the developers of Lemmy, and what are you responsible for as the owners of a Lemmy instance?
Do you have to take certain measures to keep the platform clean from illegal activities and CP/gore? If so, what has been done?
The same question applies to GDPR rules for Europe.
Maybe I'm completely misremembering things, but at some point wasn't there a hotfix to Lemmy that hard-limited how many comments a thread could have? Does anyone know if there's a maximum and if so how many?
Just wondering, cause uh, I could see this one having a lot of comments.
Can we get the show context bug fixed? Pretty please? :3 Possibly the most frustrating bug we've ever had.
Also, on crossposted threads can we get the first thread marked as "original post" so it's clear what the originating community is for people that might want to subscribe to it for similar content. The indication of the originating community is a considerable source of subscriptions over on reddit and one of the primary methods that crossposting functions as a growth tool for new communities.
When you started this project did you think it would get where it is now? Was it a sort of daydream thing or a serious belief that it would get this far?
Thank you a lot for building such an awesome platform! Here are my questions:
How did you get into communism? Were there any events that had an influence on you becoming communists and what personally motivates you to keep working on lemmy even though you could earn much more as developers working on proprietary software?
Firstly, I just have appreciation for you and nutomic for this amazing platform that you've created. This has become my favorite source of reading discussions and looking at memes. I know it's small, but I love it and want it to succeed.
My question is Do you see Lemmy or any other federated platforms reaching the level of audiences that other big Social Media Platforms currently have? Do you want it to grow big like them, or remain as it is, An amazing platform hidden in one corner of the Web?
What is your and others Devs opinion on the pre-emptive de-federation of 20k hexbear users by 120k user instance lemmy.world?
Would you think Ranked Choice voting for admins i.e. with the Schulze method - which Debian uses - integrated into the sites would mean that better community supported decisions can be made for both moderation as well as in comments/communities about stuff?
Also: is there a remind me in 2 month of this post option?
One of the major complaints on Reddit was the mod governance structure, with rank dependent on who showed up first. On the roadmap, do you see implementing other ways to govern mods, maybe something like how a lot of video game guilds govern themselves?
Why are Lemmy devs so adamantly opposed to a Follow User feature?
This is the one feature that is the biggest hurdle for full federation between Lemmy and all the other fediverse instances. Mastodon (and its forks), Peertube, Pixelfed, and kbin all allow this and federate extremely well together while Lemmy is the worst at federating because its the only one to exclude this feature.
(Please don’t reply with “use kbin if you want to follow users” again as its very dismissive and frustrating)
Here’s my crude write up on a somewhat hacky way this can be implemented as is:
spoiler
When creating an account the backend can automatically create a community thats the same as your username. make you the mod, and enable mod only posts to the community by default. On the update to the new version with the Follow User Feature a script can run to auto create communities with the names of users.
The script can also change any usernames that exist with the same name as a current community and add a U at the end of the user (an extremely small amount of users would be affected and usernames aren’t as important as preserving community names/urls)
Then we just need to follow the community of the same name as the user to follow them. The way mastodon already federates with Lemmy currently would allow you to recurve updates whenever the user posts to their own community since only they (and assigned mods) can post to their community.
Could you please create a middle ground between the nuclear option (banning sites) and the whack a mole option of banning users. It would be effective to be able to ban communities (at least temporarily) during bot spam attacks while you wait for admins to police up their site.
Could there also be a way for admins to notify other admins that their site is spamming garbage so that admins know that their board is the cause of a problem and what that problem is?
For me the whole point of fediverse is not depending on a single party for your socials/subs. But the current climate in each instance forces users to have accounts in multiple instances.
As a Lemmy user I believe account migration should be a default Lemmy feature which enables true federation for end users. Any plans for this feature in the near future?
I have heard some respectable communities, namely r/AskHistorians, express hesitance at coming to Lemmy in part over fears of appearing biased due to the overt political stance of Lemmy's creators. In other words, it's hard to be a neutral body in affiliation with anything that has an overt political stance.
I wonder what the devs of Lemmy think of this hesitance. Is it unreasonable and itself biased? Or do you see any potential for finding a way to facilitate a platform that would allow for a more neutral space?
Any regrets during your time working on Lemmy? Like implementing a feature and then later on thinking "Shit. This sucks, but I can't remove it now or it will fuck up everything later."
Any thoughts on overhauling cross-posting, to allow more interaction with the source interaction?
As far as I'm aware: currently when you cross-post, only the recipient instance gets all interactions (comments, upvotes), instead of duplicating to or having the origin solely receive those.
The current implementation hampers the growth of smaller instances when reposting something to a bigger one. Discoverability is still there due to seeing from which instance the post originates from, but that's arguably not enough.
Why are Lemmy devs so opposed to a Follow Thread feature? (The feature request is always immediately closed on github with the message: not planned)
Users being able to opt in to receive updates whenever a thread receives an edit to the post, a new comment, or a reply to a comment thread would be extremely useful.
Maybe I couldn't find it somewhere online, but is there a structured development roadmap for features you plan to implement? If not, what are the top priorities going forward? What are your long term goals with the project?
@nutomic@lemmy.ml, can't reply to the thread here because the user was defed from us which is a pretty frustrating design for the purposes of reading a whole thread from another instance, but i'd just like to say that if you don't self crit here you need to delete your avatar, maybe upload a picture of spez instead, because he says the same shit :) like a lot of your other posts but by god this is liberal shit that basically no one wants to see
Is there any coordination with The other fediverse projects (mainly mastodon) and mastodon client developpers to enhance the interoperability with each other.
for instance being able to flawlessly post to lemmy and get notified about replies to your mastodon instance in a more convenient and user friendly way. where mastodon and its clients recognizes that a reply is comming from a lemmy server and displays it in a threaded way.
to stops showing every comment on posts made to community I follow as a separate post. it fills up the timeline. I know it's something to work on from the mastodon side. but maybe there are things lemmy can help improve.
Something that trips me up a bit about federation and instances is the overlap of identical communities from different instances.
So for example, I'm an atheist, but it's be years since that was a part of my identity that moved me to care about atheist memes or patting myself on the back for not being religious, which (sorry guys), is what I feel like happens in those communities. So I get them out of my feed by blocking them the way I block plenty of other communities I'm not interested in. In Apollo I was spoiled by the 'hide subreddit' feature that I don't believe existed in Reddit itself, but which was crucial to my enjoyment of that particular app. But since there are multiple instances hosting a version of any given community, I must've blocked at least three 'atheist' and two or three 'atheistmemes' communities, which look the same to me, but are hosted on different instances.
Is my All feed destined to continue having different instance versions of all the topics I don't want to see, no matter how many times I block them, as long as there are more and more instances hosting those communities? I don't want to sound unimpressed by this new technology or ungrateful for the amazing service you all are building, but this feels like either a pretty big flaw in the federated user experience or a pretty big gap in my knowledge of how to work the platform. I'm entirely receptive to the idea I may just be doing something wrong.
Is there a plan to improve search and federating communities between instances? My biggest hurdle joining and using Lemmy was without a doubt the search functionality and subscribing to a community on my own instance, it was severely off-putting. Let me walk you through it: you find a community you like, say !vinyl@sopuli.xyz. You paste it into the search of your instance, as instructed. It immediately tells you "No results". If you don't click off, sometimes it changes it's mind within a few seconds. Sometimes it never loads. You try manually creating the URL by going to example.com/c/vinyl@sopuli.xyz but it gives you an error. If you're lucky it works the next day, if you're not then I don't actually know the next step. Not to mention the lack of feedback on subscribing to communities. I have "subscribed" to communities before then realised a week later that despite appearing in my list of subs it didn't actually work and I have to redo, the only feedback you get is "pending". This is the #1 issue that stops me from recommending Lemmy, or at least smaller instances that haven't federated with much yet. Is the search a priority?
I know you've been asked about splitting NSFW already, but is there any chance of a specific NSFL tag or a generic spoiler/blur tag? Gore and nudity are such different topics they really don't deserve to be under the same banner.
Are proper inline previews something on the roadmap? What I mean is items like YouTube videos, Streamable links, and just about anything that isn't a Lemmy image is not expandable and requires leaving the website. It's one of my most missed features from old Reddit with RES.
I read as much of the thread as possible, so hopefully these are new questions. Hope I didn't come across too negative here as I've been enjoying my time overall and I know y'all have been swamped these months and never expected this popularity.
Is there anything happening in the Fediverse that makes you concerned for its future?
The whole philosophy of it is to give power back to the users and not be kept in a box, but do you think the current mindset of most people using the typical social media platforms will bring bad habits here and squander what the Fediverse stands for? This is more of a concern of mine, but I'm new here
Will you implement an sorting algorithm that would show more content from small, neglected, unknown communities/instances on the main /all/ timeline so that they are more discoverable and will be seen rather than only showing the most-liked posts from huge communities/instances?
I don't really have any questions at the moment, just passing by to thank you for making this great product/service.
After the Reddit fiasco I felt like my internet life would be empty, then I saw a thread on /r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH about they joining here and making an instance, so that's why I'm here now (not with them at the moment).
Then I started to be more active here than on Reddit until today which my Reddit account is basically forgotten.
I have read many of your answers and I can't wait until that "best" sorting comes out!
I wasn't very active in the biggest communities of Reddit because my likings which are a bit smaller (I don't think niche) than the big masses.
I have a suggestion about lemmy. Could there be a way where Lemmy can check for community names across instances to help reduce multiple communities of the same name? For example, say someone wants to create a Linux community on their instance and during the creation Lemmy searches an index of community names and finds one already named that name, it would then recommend the existing community which already exists be used or a new community name be made.
My theory is to help reduce the multiple communities of the same name posting the same article numerous times on the all feed.
Which instant messenger do you use and recommend the most for general use? I read Dessalines essay about why Signal is bad, from these options SimpleX looks best to me. Thoughts?
Lemmy is obviously getting bigger and bigger. Especially with the revolts against Reddit, and it seems currently we are in a similar state to where Reddit was when it was first started. Are there any tools you currently plan on implementing for server admins to prevent bot accounts, server toxicity, etc?
Also, do you guys have any worries about the fediverse devolving into a toxic cesspool of politics and unhinged users, like Reddit did? My worry is that over time, Lemmy as a whole will devolve into Reddit and be like one big virus that just spread over time due to growth. Once idiots find a platform to settle on they stay there. I think most people don't want that.
Are you confident that ActivityPub is the right protocol for large numbers of users/communities/instances? I've read about concerns about the scalability of ActivityPub due to its "push" nature, and I'm wondering how reliable those concerns can be.
Is there a "right" maximum size for instances (user or community-wise) so that the load and reliability is properly spread?
(On behalf of a colleague not yet using Lemmy) Is it planned or enviable to provide OAuth/OpenID for auth, so that a user could have created an account in instanceA but log in to instanceB with the same account; potentially reducing the load on instanceA and/or allowing interaction with content federated with instanceB but not instanceA?
Thoughts on the use of geographic domains for vanity purposes? I know that's come up recently as a topic of concern (including with lemmy, specifically), and personally, it seems like it's both extremely widespread and also maybe shouldn't have become super widespread given the actual implications.
Thanks for creating Lemmy! I like it a lot :) Do you have any ideas/plans on a privacy and user focused algorithmic view? If Lemmy wants to be big, I think we need something like this.
What's your oppinion on lemmy being used by a few hundreds of people for quite some time and then recently exploding overnight with new instances and tens of thousands of new users. That certeinly changed some things...
@dessalines yesterday, I asked around about the desired improvements to Lemmy and @bmp replied that conversation flows could be improved. Threads or comments aren't always explicitly showed and makes the user unsure about how to actually interact in the conversation.
Also, what are your next points on the roadmap? (If you have one)
I recently submitted a PR for stopping pictrs image federation. IMO the images themselves do not need to be downloaded when served by another pictrs instance. This would reduce the amount of diskspace and reduce the burden of hosting images that are unwanted by the instance owners.
Since the release of Sync for Lemmy, some servers (like Lemmy.world for example) are down quite often, probably because of a huge influx of users.
Will something be done about the big increase in down-time across Lemmy servers, and if so, how will that problem be dealt with in the near and far future?
How's the onboarding of the new contributors going? I assume suddenly getting a huge influx of eager contributors might create a lot of fun "problems" that software developers don't usually get in their day jobs.
Related to that, besides the contributor docs on join-lemmy, is there any recommended reading before getting down to work on starting to contribute (already made or in the works)? I've been looking into helping out and getting better at Rust in the process.
Is there any limitations with the database (postgres)?. I know postgres is one of the best (maybe even best) monolith database (running on one node) at the moment, but will the space be enough? With this in mind, has there been any consideration of migrating to a distributed database like ScyllaDB or CassanraDB to alleviate potential space constraints?
On the other hand, if Lemmy doesn't intend to store data for long periods, maybe the capacity of Postgres would suffice. Any thoughts or plans on this? I appreciate your insights on this matter.
I would love a way to optionally post a location while choosing specificity, i.e. United Kingdom vs Newcastle etc. That way I can filter communities and posts to just those in a location I like.
I think it could lead to some really cool interactions and ways of looking for things.
Any thoughts on the "federated community" discussion? I find both positions to have merit, but I think I'm leaning towards community aggregation as an option.
Where either in active mode hides the post and only after approval reveals itself or passive just have an queue for mods to see all the posts to double check?
Javascript-less interface when? At least for browsing. I thought this whole mumbo jumbo was for escaping from corporations, and it has quite some value for recovering the old, retro days of the internet.
How well do you think the federation model is working, in terms of cultural dynamics, more defederations than I would have expected to see, etc.? I'm not counting technical glitches that I assume will get sorted out over time.
I want a statement on the apparent lemmygrad connections and supporting human rights violations. The recent blog post was a PR non-answer, free speech is important, but human rights violations are just not acceptable.
Edit: it's obvious at this point there will never be a proper statement. I just want to say that regardless of the country of origin, US, China, EU, South Africa, India, it doesn't matter to me, all human rights violations are violations and unacceptable. This isn't a communism vs capitalism debate, this is a situation of whether to support the guy creating this software if that individual supports genocidal tendencies.
What role do you think Lemmy developers should have in limiting the way that private instances can be used?
For example, (IIRC) you can't say the n word on any unmodified Lemmy instance—even one that you host yourself. I wonder what other such limitations are currently in place or may be added in the future. Can any open source contributor add such a limitation?
Edit: Regardless of whether you think such limitations are appropriate, I think it's an important question. I also expressed this comment in a neutral manner.
pls figure a way to monetize instances: a small fee charging api or something so admins could feel safe, or else instance owners will be piggy backed by third party app devs, and its happening.
Can we create an instance that host all the communities ? Like a central location for all communities so that when I search for let's say - AMA the only one AMA community shows up. Now there's one AMA in each community which is really confusing.
I know its against the principle of fediverse but if someone has a better idea please feel free to reply
Why did you choose to name your social media system after a person who owned the largest personal collection of Nazi memorabilia in the world for years leading up until his death. Lemmy was an entire piece of shit human being. Fuck Lemmy.