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I wonder how quickly one would cage and kill the other?

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  • Honestly, leftie Jesus is a bit of a whitewashing itself. If you read the Bible the guy is petty AF half the time, especially with people who aren't entertaining religious solicitors and keep throwing his gang of preaching cultists out of places. I'm cool with calling out the hypocrisy of Christian right-wingers, but let's not pretend Christianity doesn't have a ton of built-in garbage along those lines. I mean, understandably, it's the preachings of some random guy 2000 years ago, so does Plato, but still.

    • Yeah I think biblical Jesus is really strongly anti divorce, for example. Some of the Christian right are also hardcore on that stance, but a lot aren't. Probably because that's hard for them personally.

      Matthew 19

      19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

      3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

      4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

      7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

      8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

      10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

      11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

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      That's probably where people infer a lot of anti-gay stuff, too.

      I don't think jesus' take there is very good, but I don't identify as a Christian n

      • Let's not get started on the thrice married and looking for a 3rd, morality police too...

    • He killed a tree because it didn't produce fruit as if the tree was deliberately holding out on him. Like you're literally God who literally created all living organisms, surely you understand how trees work and how they will turn off fruit production if conditions aren't right (namely if they don't have enough nutrients for it), and that it's an automatic response which the tree has no conscious control over because you didn't even design them to have a nervous system.

      I mean, also the "I love you unconditionally, on the condition that you worship me otherwise I will personally throw you in hell" thing.

  • Here's the thing, though: Jesus is no more than a stolen symbol to these types. It's just like saying, "I am a good person," there is no validation, certification, or standards for it. Anyone can claim they are Christian, anyone can claim they follow Jesus, They just picked up a name tag off the street and wear it. That's it. It's really down to a simplified "I am good, they are bad." So using logic, reason, and even proof in the bible is pointless. There's zero consequences to claiming you're doing what you want, even despicable acts, "because it's the Christian thing to do." Look at the Crusades. The papacy. It's not a new thing. It's the same old bullshit.

    Even pedophiles can quote scripture.

    If the various churches cared ANYTHING about their tenants, they'd have a vetting process. They'd check on their flock's behavior. They'd work on making the world a better place through helping others. They'd kick out any member of their group who violated their rules. But most of them don't, or if they do, it's a social moray fueled by their own hatred and ignorance. They just want the numbers, they just want the POWER, and it's no more valid than a gang of thugs or the Mafia.

    And I see memes like this, and it's preaching to the choir. We KNOW they don't follow anything jesus said, claim that they do, and in the end of the day they are the same hypocrites that wear red hats to make America "Great" again. It's not adding anything to the narrative but creating a snobbish divide. "Well, look how smart we are to point out the obvious using technicalities that do nothing but insult them. Ha ha, they so dumb." Mentally, these people are children. You see toddlers interact? There's all kinds of wisdom into human culture right there. Only toddlers can't hide it yet. There's hitting, crying, illogical bullshit. But we, as adults, teach them to behave and are supposed to set an example. But they learn the hypocrisy from us, too, whether we know it or not.

    So, you know, memes like this also do the same thing to these people who think Jesus is a white dude that they can wear on a tee short while calling the homeless discussing illegals or whatever. They hate us because we look down on THEM. We have to treat these people like children, and not "dismissively like stupid kids," but like, "Hey, buddy. I see you're having trouble processing your hate and fear. Let's go over here and calm down for a second." Or something. Raise 'em right.

    • The difference is that children want to learn, or at least society is built to typecast them into the roll of students - it's the opposite for adults; if you try to teach a kid something, they'll usually at least listen to you, even if they might not internalize what you told them, but if you do the same to a fellow adult, more often than not they'll get offended and dig even harder into their incorrect ideals. I've met very few adults who where honestly willing to change their opinion based on a conversation with someone who's not specifically in a leadership-style role like a boss, professor, pastor, etc.

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