Lemmy users lack nuace and it stops actual discussion.
Lemmy users lack nuace and it stops actual discussion.
I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.
Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.
The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as "we'll just handle it") plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.
Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.
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Just block lemmygrad.ml and hexbear, all they really add is volume. The quality of basically every thread increases without the chaf, and you will find that there is a larger cross section of opinion on Lemmy than you thought.
Just hexbear did the trick for me, although I also dont shy away from blocking users if I find nothing of value coming from their comments.
They will still be able to influence votes, I believe. Defederation is the only way to prevent that.
Lemmygrad certainly won't downvote me they banned me in the first what three days of me making an account so they can't see my comments. I wear the title "NATO apologist" with pride (even though I don't like NATO), translated it means "Doesn't want Ukraine invaded and argues so well that it might actually pull people away from our cult".
They don't ban you for simply going "tankies bad", they thrive on that kind of easily dismissible stuff, fuels their victim complex and provides them, by downvoting, with a sense of agency and accomplishment they lack in the real world. Tons of threads that look very different when you're looking at them from lemmygrad.
Lemmygrad certainly won’t downvote me
I'm not worried about them downvoting people. I'm worried about them upvoting whatever fits their agenda to the top of the front page.
Then they will also implicitly upvote the takedown comment that debunks it to smithereens, that they can't see because they've long since banned everyone posting such comments.
If you tally votes by stance that might be an issue, but if you tally them by quality or impact the situation looks quite different. You'll see, nay actually you do see (or at least I have), a +80-50 comment on the top, directly followed by a +50-0 one debunking it. Noone is going to take the first one seriously with that ratio. Even not being aware of lemmygrad, people would just assume that the first comment's original upvotes were because the takedown hadn't been written yet. Bonus: The first comment came from lemmygrad and its OP can't even see the rebuttal and follow up with further bullshit, saving everyone lots of time.
I've been thinking about this. Since there's no karma the worst thing you can do to a post/comment on Lemmy is ignore it. If you upvote it, it gets boosted in Hot and Top. Downvote and it gets boosted in Controversial.
I don't really worry too much about votes on here just responses.
I have done this several weeks ago, and I agree it helps.
It's just as bad on Lemmy.world.
Got people here literally rooting for the Houthis and Hamas, which are both part of nearly identical, extreme, right wing authoritarian ideologies.