YouTube’s anti-ad blocking test gets even pushier with a new timer
YouTube's campaign against ad blockers continues with a new timer now appearing within the familiar warning popup
I’d pay for YouTube premium if t wasn’t more expensive than HBO. It’s ridiculous. Especially considering YouTube has no production costs. It’s all user-generated content.
the users do get paid though, although i'm sure it's a fraction of what youtube makes.
You can get Premium cheaper through other countries. It’s super simple. I only pay about 1€ / month and that feels about right to me unlike the 15€ or something I’d have to pay otherwise.
More video is uploaded every minute than anyone can ever watch in a lifetime. It costs money to store and serve all that.
Then they shouldn't store everything.
Isn't their issue more hosting costs and not production costs? Unless they start telling people they can't upload videos (exception being copyright of course) Youtube greatly outpaces the storage costs of other social media sites.
They probably still store more than other video-hosting sites too.
their problem is probably paying $2 billion a year or some crazy number for nfl football.
It should be a crime the way they make you subscribe to YouTube Music to get YouTube Premium.
The pricing feels like it only makes sense if you want to use YouTube Music (and thus also don't use one of the many streaming music competitors). Paying a couple of bucks extra for ad free YouTube is fine and that's why I pay it personally. But if I wasn't a YTM user already, I don't think I would.
And most people don't want to switch streaming music services. I did that years ago and it sucked. Music is the kinda thing where you really benefit from the service knowing your tastes. I only did it because back then, Spotify was missing some of my favourite artists while Google Play Music had them. I don't even know if that applies today.
That's a bit disingenuous, IMO. Of course they don't pay to produce content, but they definitely pay quite a lot to store all of the video that millions of people are uploading daily for free.
A part of your YT Premium payment goes directly to creators that you watch based on your watch time. That is their content expenses just like HBO for making new shows.
Idk if the price is that ridiculous, the family plan costs me 16 bucks and I have YT premium for my household+. I also have YouTube music from that as well, I find it better than spotify for my use and I dont have to put up additional cost for music streaming elsewhere. There was also youtube premium content (Youtube Red?) if that is still a thing, I remember the Vsauce series being available because of this.
Youtube having no costs is a hot take if ive ever seen one, but I dont think I can say anything about this that hasnt been said.
Only a kid used to having mommy and daddy pay for everything would claim youtube has no costs. It is amazing how many people on social media think everything should be free. The real issue here it is the lack of competition.
Yeah they just need bandwidth for a billion people no biggie, thank you for your expertise
lol zero production costs because they're not a production studio, genius, lmao. they do have a shit ton of overhead costs though - look into it instead of acting like it costs nothing to be the largest video hosted site on the planet.
Keep 720p only for users who upload crap and aren't generating revenue and keep 4k for the channels who are uploading quality content. I've seen a podcast uploading hours of content in 4k. That is incredibly costly to stream to people.
I'm not going to pay for a service that is so wasteful with their income and then they want more.
Ad blockers are not allowed on YouTube
Just click the "not using an adblocker" button. If everyone does that it'll probably whitelist the blockers, we can hope.
- ad blockers are not "on youtube", they are on my devices
based
- allowed by whom?
checked
- fuck you
and redpilled
ublock origin users:
Sponsorblock and Return YT Dislikes FTW as well.
On desktop blocktube has improved things so much too. It has made search results so much better, since YouTube suppresses smaller channels in favor of the same large youtubers depending on the subject. Really wish it could be integrated into mobile YouTube options, but until then my hope is waiting until mobile firefox getting desktop extension support.
I'm confused, if ublock origin and sponsor block and all those are bypassing this, then who is it actually targeting?
They want to frame it so that internet ID is the solution. That way you as a person can be banned, not just the account or ip. Good luck buying and selling when everything becomes digital and you get banned.
Dear Youtube: Bring back the downvote count, allow me to disable shorts, allow me to disable your bullshit annoying ass startup music, then half the price and then we'll talk about paying for your "service".
Being able did disable content you don't want aside from ads with a paid membership would be a huge boon.
Killing shorts would be fantastic, and they shouldn't care if I'm not using a feature as long as I'm paying.
That got me, the "you can only upvote stuff" bull. I should also have the option to block channels and videos.
I am paying for YouTube Premium, and yet I still have to skip over US-exclusive sponsor sections which almost every Youtuber has nowadays…
If you’re not already using it, this is gold: https://sponsor.ajay.app/
Yeah, those are frustrating. Some channels I watch have a ton of annoying YouTube ads, where premium becomes a must for sanity. But some others have baked in sponsors that can't be skipped (but no native YouTube ads). I wish they'd reconcile the two. It doesn't make sense that you can pay to only block some ads, and depending on what videos you watch, that could be either the majority of ads or none at all!
Ah YouTube, the site where I watch a video that tells me in ten minutes what I could read in one. And only 5 advertisements!
Oops, six. I forgot the ad the creator slipped in between minute 1 and 2.
I would like to use this opportunity to make more people aware of YouTubetranscript.
Sites been a huge time saver just reading through the video instead of sitting through 10 minute long videos that turn out to be a waste of time that could have been said in a couple minutes.
I used SponsorBlock for a while and it worked pretty well. It crowdsources where the ads are in a video and you can choose to skip them automatically.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=0oHoXlnv-RE
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.
How can you possibly forget the mid-video ad read that is actually a part of the video, thus unblockable?
"Modern problems require modern solutions" -> get sponsorblock
I mean, if it is an ad that actually directly gets the video creator paid, I’m not even mad about those, especially when it’s quality content. Not a fan of those who just take common searches for questions online and create a long video to explain the answer when it should have just stayed as a stackoverflow question and answer or something.
Recommend hitting '4' (40%) straight away on how to videos, its usually the start of showing you how to do the thing.
The Wadsworth constant
So I'm sure u wont have a problem avoiding it therefore this doesnt concern you
and this is why you should use third party clients/patches like revanced
Ehh. I wouldn't suggest someone go use any old patched client. Do your due diligence and be safe.
Hard to believe people down voted this. I'm just saying make sure you get stuff from official sources like https://ReVanced.app
No. This is why if you like a service, you pay for it.
if google made youtube premium like $3/month no one would bat an eye and sub. but they're approaching netflix prices and that's just way to much. i rather support the creators directly than throwing money at google who will give the creators crumbs until they demonetize them because google is doing google things. also won't solve the privacy problem that comes with using their native site/apps.
Does YouTube pay their content creators properly? No, they have to rely on external partnerships. Does YouTube help their creators solve issues with greedy companies making copyright claims on not their content? No, they close channels because of such claims and strip creators of income they deserve. Does YouTube keep their platform secure to protect its creators? No, hackers managed to get access to the biggest channels on the platform despite YouTube being aware of the issues for months. Does YouTube at least use their knowledge from spying its users to stop bots posting comments? No, bot comments are all over the place. And I could go like that for ages...
The fact is YouTube is a shitty platform and people use it because they have to not because they want to. Because they have a fucking monopoly! People are paying thousands of dollars directly to content creators through platforms like Patreon, because they like the content. But people are not willing to support financially the platform that openly don't give a fuck about their users and creators (which are the only reason this platform exists) and care only about their shareholders. Because why would they pay to make the rich richer while content creators struggle to earn money for rent!
Google has been shamelessly destroying all their projects the last few years in a desperate fit to make money. They've weakened ad blockers on chrome, they've altered the search algorithm so random BS is mixed in with regular to drive towards sponsored content, their starting to setup browser level DRM and creating un skipable ads. None of this is for anything more than greed and desperation. They no longer see anything other than money as the end goal and don't care if their selling a shittier product at a higher price than no one was ever even willing to pay for. F*ck google.
No. This is why if a service loses sight of its core value proposition, it dies.
If youtube is actually successful in killing adblocking on their service - which I suppose a server-side timer could actually do - then they will only succeed in killing their relevance, just like so many social media seem to be doing right now.
I pay for services like a debrid and VPN, because they provide me with the services I need. For very few dollars a month I can get 4K streaming from their servers 24/7. That is all hosting should cost. If the fediverse version of youtube, peertube, became mainstream then collectively people should have absolutely no problem maintaining those costs from the users' side.
Once that happens and mainstream video streaming is part of the fediverse, I think the network effect that governs social media might snowball until eventualy centralised social media is a thing of the past.
Do not pay for youtube, whatever you do. Let them die.
I support the sentiment, but today everything is a service that wants your money, this resource is finite. And when it comes to YouTube, it's not even about whether you like it or not: YouTube is a monopolist.
I'll gladly pay for a service that doesn't thrive on pushing propaganda down people's throats to maximize watch time and that isn't actively trying to make my user experience miserable by removing downvotes, forcing shorts and so on.
I'd rather pay someone to kick me in the nuts. Sounds like a better deal tbh.
Like Cable Television, right?
There is something fundamentally wrong with a service that shows more ads than content.
fuck YouTube premium. why would I pay £19.99 a month when literally the only defining feature for me is no ads. all this will do is allow for more complex ad blockers to be made to bypass this
There's a lite version that's only for the ads.
It's cheaper than the full 19.99.
While that might still be too much, I just wanted to point out that if you don't want ads, it doesn't cost the full 20quid.
This was news to me so I went looking and couldn't find it on youtube. Reading articles seems to indicate it is only available in certain regions and at certain times. I finally found the link to the page (https://www.youtube.com/premiumlite) and confirmed it's not available for me in the US at least.
Up next: An AI-enabled Web Browser extension which
And then* YouTube adds captcha to the skip button.
And then the AI script retaliates by identifying and switching to matching videos on PeerTube, whilst also learning your viewing habits. A premium version offers a subscription which pays third world workers to complete the captcha on your behalf.
Then Google users WEI to kill the extension.
Then someone releases a VPS which runs Chrome and supplies the whole thing by Remote Desktop, with a client side app that integrates the behaviour...
(just thinking of how it could go.)
"While the duration of this timer isn't revealed, we expect it to be somewhere around 30 to 60 seconds."
Peak journalism.
We suspect it may or may not be somewhere in the ballpark on five seconds to seven days.
The really annoying part is YouTube gets all their content for free, while every other subscription video service pays for content.
They do, but the costs to store all of that high resolution video is enormous. Especially since it must be replicated to local repository for quicker access as popularity raises and removed when popularity falls on videos. The amount of content stored and served is significantly more than Netflix houses. That being said, ads are getting way too intrusive.
Creators no longer get ad revenue? What did I miss?
I believe he is referring to the fact that YouTube don't have to pay upfront for new content, they even get new content without hunting for it, and many smaller channels don't have partnership and so on.
Sure they have a platform, backend and so on. But Netflix needs to have all that too plus buy things to show to their customers.
The worst part of YouTube ads is super long ads (sometimes even multiple hours long). It has happened to me multiple times. And coincidentally it always happens when I'm feeling sleepy.
Here is a screenshot.
I think back in 2015, there was the Tai Lopez ads that were also very long.
I don't have a screenshot nor do I remember what ad was it, but I have seen an ad that was more than 2 hours long.
Man, all these companies just pushing me away from using their services. I don't need it.
For real. I'm mostly excited for the possibility of getting a viable alternative to Google's obvious disregard for human decency. Bring on the crowd funded video streaming apps!
This is one of these problem with multiple unsolvable issues:
They already solved it. Premium was way cheaper before they started bundling it with Music which is just utter garbage. I’d pay like 5€ / month for YouTube Premium without Music IF the experience was actually good and they didn’t shove shorts in my face everywhere like that non-dismissable panel that breaks up my subscriptions now.
I think a lot of people would subscribe if they had a lower price tier where they have a reduced amount of ads (like an ad every few videos). Without ad blockers, youtube is unwatchable, you get more ads than you would on TV (where in many places ads are legally capped at around 15mins/hour).
I think they are likely to pull a Netflix and create a lower premium tier with ad support and missing other premium features like picture in picture
I actually don't have a problem paying for online services. I host my own email, I pay for Kagi search and I do monthly donations to Mozilla and Wikipedia. What I have an issue with is services that start out as advertisement based and then introduce paid plans, because now you still have all these shitty mechanics just for driving up engagement which results in unhealthy incentives for content creators and rabbit holes. I want a service that is for YouTube what Kagi is to Google Search. But perhaps that model is too difficult to monetize, I don't know.
This sounds a lot like Nebula to me.
I've been eying Kagi and Orion. How do you find Kagi? I spend so much time fighting with Google SEO if it's half decent I would switch. I'm just wary that my searching methods wouldn't work well in Kagi.
Did you find it straightforward to adjust to how Kagi works?
I'm very happy with Kagi. I find the search results to be excellent. It does take a little bit of practice to get back into the habit of writing proper search queries instead of relying on google already having a profile of what you're likely to want, but once you do its very solid. The features to promote or demote domains is also very useful.
Funny thing is that occasionally I'll search for something with Kagi and I'll get no or very few results only to then try google. Google will then show me millions of results but it's all unrelated, AI generated, SEO trash that'll just waste my time. I'll take no results over that any day.
NewPipe, and YouTube Revanced are great apps you can use on mobile. They aren't attached to any Google account so you can just use them and skip adds all day without getting any account theoretically banned.
For those who continue to use YouTube and adblockers on PC, simply just make a new throwaway Google account. In the case that they aren't actually bluffing (they are) then at least your temp account will be banned.
for PC there is also Freetube and Invidious
Thank you! I'll keep these in mind
Revanced is great because it lets you watch without ads WITH Google account. I know that if you're focused on privacy the last thing you want is Google account but for me the benefit of YouTube algorithm suggesting me exactly what I want to watch is enough the reason to not use any platform/app that doesn't support login. Of course they need to try more before I'll pay for premium. For now if that dialog ever shows up to me I'm setting my UA to Android and see if that happens on mobile YouTube as well. Since they don't care too much about that version of YouTube it's possible that dialog will not show up. If that's blocked too I'm installing waydroid and revanced on it. Also I hope that development of VueTube will speed up because currently it's so slow I'm not sure if it will ever be finished and it would be great to have alternatives to revanced.
There's also Libretube on android.
Or just don’t use an account. I’ve been doing that since Google force merged YouTube and Google accounts in like 2011.
Dear YouTube,
Go fuck yourselves.
Sincerely, the 1% of people who actually use adblockers happily.
Or revanced/rvx extended.
Getting banned from YouTube might be the best thing google has ever done for me
Post a how to guide please?
At least in the past, you couldn't get banned from YouTube: They would instead lock your entire Google account and I personally would not be able to deal with that.
clicks on link
It looks like you are using an ad-blocker
But what happens when the timer is done? Just a scare tactic?
No one likes timers. They are scary
Boom!
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My guess is it makes you wait before seeing the video?
They force ads and steal money from the content creators, and people still flock to use their services. How fucking braindead can you be?
Just stop using YouTube. That will fix their problems real quick.
There is basically no competition and the people uploading videos kinda live from doing so...
So everyone that uses YouTube is a content creator?
i was a YT premium subscriber when google play music didn't suck.... they lost me when they switched it to youtube music
What changed after the switch? I kept subscribing since the music + YouTube video was well worth the value for me, and haven’t noticed a change.
They kept trying to push videos into my feed. I want a music service period
Also it was sometimes hard to tell if i'm listening to official content from the band, or some bootleg copy uploaded by user "SomeGuy83771"
There were a bunch of other annoyances that i cant really remember off the top of my head right now.... Its beeb many years since i left
No more gapless playback for one. Listening to albums by e.g. Pink Floyd can be really annoying without it...
Is the photo for this article two naked chicks smoking at a bar for anyone else?
I'm using Alexandrite and see no thumbnail.
On Artemis, yes. On kbin.social, no. Was kinda wondering why no one else was talking about it.
I have the same image, also on Artemis/ camp
I think there might be something glitchy with Artemis.camp’s federation of this article. Lemmy.world and kbin.social is showing this as a generic YouTube thumb, but Artemis.camp, both in and out of the app, is showing two nude women smoking in a bar.
It's with Kbin, in general, I think. Kbin.social is having similar issues with caching the wrong thumbnails lately. Been happening for a few days.
ehhh... i see five gerbils playing in a mariachi band.
Go home CTdummy. You’re drunk. /s
I don’t see any photos other than youtube logo.
Memmy for lemmy on iOS.
Yup, I think it's an Artemis problem
It is for me
Fellow camper here. The two topless chicks were quite a shock.
I just went to yt's front page, which I haven't done in a long while (usually use NewPipe or use a direct link). There is a LOT of garbage on there. I mean, holy crap! It's not the creators' fault, I know. The Algorithm decides, and they must appease The Algorithm. Still, though. And, now, this timer bs for the 2% who use adblockers?
So what are my options on windows? I just know about patched clients on Android
Use Firefox, and all the same adblockers as always.
uBlock Origin to be more specific.
anything owned by eyeo (which now includes non-Origin uBlock alongside AdBlock and AdBlock Plus) will probably consider these "acceptable ads" after not at all getting bribed by google, and the rest are quite literally malware (except a small handful)
Paste link to VLC, mpv, other media player. Also Freetube and the sort work.
You could try https://piped.video or another piped instance
How do the 3rd party clients for youtube work? Can they still circumvent the adblock-blockers or where are the "positioned" inside youtube's code? Sorry for the weird terminology, I'm no programmer.
Re vanced mods the normal app with a premium override.
I had to patch mine as the blocking mentioned in the article was kicking in after about 20 seconds. The video would just stop and sit loading.
Revanced works on Android devices, and Doesn't need root. Follow the guide to do it.
YouTube ReVanced still works. They patch the app to not play the ads.
The way it works is you install the normal YouTube app, install the ReVanced patcher and it patches and reinstalls the app.
most of them go through proxy services like invidious. google is fighting them atm.
I couldn't read this article because AndroidPolice wanted me to disable my adblocker.