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‘It will be the end of democracy’: Bernie Sanders on what happens if Trump wins – and how to stop him

www.theguardian.com ‘It will be the end of democracy’: Bernie Sanders on what happens if Trump wins – and how to stop him

He’s the leftwing outsider who nearly became the Democrats’ candidate for president - twice. As his position on the Israel-Gaza war threatens to upset his support, the veteran senator says he’s tired but determined to fight the return of that ‘ bitter, humiliated man’

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I was proud to vote for Bernie in the 2016 and 2020 primaries, but I bit the bullet and phone banked for Biden even though he was far from my first choice. There's way too much at stake here.
- Yes. Better Biden than Trump but Bernie would have been better.
- I volunteered for Sanders campaign but didn't do anything for Biden. He didn't earn my vote. Democracy at work.
  
  I honestly get where you are coming from. I protest voted green party in 2016 thinking Hillary had the election in the bag - and felt terrible afterwards. Voted for Biden in 2020 even though he was low on my list. Without seriously overhauling our voting process to ranked choice or STAR voting, not voting for one of the major party candidates just helps the other.
  
  Maybe I’m a naive idealist, but, in the age of social media I actually tend to disagree. If there’s ever a time that a 3rd party could be plausible, it’s now. Everyone hates both sides, social media and the internet gives anyone a platform.
  The notion that you cannot vote for anyone else is and has been pedaled by both sides for too long. It’s tired and false.
  I don’t see either party being willing to pass something that in-essence, weakens their stance, so voting reform is likely dead.
  Idk, this country is fucked. Like I can even easily go counter myself as I type this. You’re probably right. I just don’t want to believe it. I’ll likely be voting democrat anyway, simply cause my soul knows you’re right. Fuck.
  
  I'm all for having choices outside of our de-facto two party system, but the reality is that the more progressive candidates we have, the more it splits the progressive vote. Our adversaries know this, as part of the Russian election interference involved social media posts encouraging progressives to vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein. Stein claims she had no involvement, but there have been accusations that she has ties to Russia, particularly stemming from this gala she attended. A senate investigation found no wrongdoing on her part, however.
  
  there is no evidence she was aware. this is slander.
  
  Which part of my comment could be considered slander? I thought I was presenting the facts as they are, and even mentioned that she denied any knowledge of the Russian election interference done to promote her campaign and split the progressive vote.
  
  you said there is evidence she was aware. that's not true.
  
  Fair enough. I've updated my comment.
  
  Depends on where you are, I voted sanders, but since my area and state went Democrat it didn't really matter. It's not like it's entirely popular vote.
  
  Blame the candidate that works for the people. Not voting for Biden helps Trump? I guess not voting for Trump helps Biden too then?
  
  If you're a conservative voter and you refuse to vote for Trump for one reason or another then it does help Biden. The problem is that conservatives are rallying behind Trump pretty much regardless of what he does, while progressives are infighting about whether to vote for Biden because of his stance with Israel.
  
  Not voting for the lesser of two evils helps the greater evil, whoever you think that might be in this election
  
  100 million voters don't vote in the US.
  
  Who did you vote for? Or did you just not vote?
  
  I voted down ballot Dem except POTUS which I voted third party. I'm in California.
  
  Jill Scott?

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