Israeli troops gun down thousands of Palestinians awaiting aid in north Gaza
Israeli troops gun down thousands of Palestinians awaiting aid in north Gaza
Tel Aviv has stepped up indiscriminate attacks against displaced Palestinians in northern Gaza due to the army's failure to 'dismantle' Hamas
Tel Aviv has stepped up indiscriminate attacks against displaced Palestinians in northern Gaza due to the army's failure to 'dismantle' Hamas
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"Israel" really wants to dethrone nazi Germany as the most openly genocidal fascist state huh.
No wonder zionists and nazis have a history of cooperating. Might as well be the same thing.
Excuse me, the US is still the king of genocide.
Brits and Spaniards didn't kill like 50 million people for you to give the crown to an upstart
That genocide isn't the only genocide the US has been part of, either as a direct genocidier or indirectly by supporting the genocidal regime.
No one is gonna take this crown from the US!
They try to not be open about it though, at least to its own population, unlike "israel".
It's basically a US colony in Palestine though so ig it's a moot point.
No, not really. There's a lot of whitewashing of US history, especially in textbooks. If you ask the average American they wouldn't even call anything the US did "genocide."
I recommend reading Lies My Teacher Told Me.
There’s a lot of whitewashing of US history, especially in textbooks. If you ask the average American they wouldn’t even call anything the US did “genocide.”
That's what I mean. The US is built on genocide and colonization just like "israel", but they try to not be open about it.
Oh no that's new. Back when the genocide was in a more active phase and there were "Indian Wars" they were very explicit about it.
But today, you're right, they just teach a few key atrocities and handwave the other hundred million. I must have misread lol
I think that's just the different stages of settler-colonial development.
Go back far enough and everyone is where they are because their ancestors killed whomever was there first. Not that it justifies anything, but it's genocides all the way down. Even native Americans wiped out a prior civilization if you go back far enough.
Smallpox did most of the genociding, killed ~90% of Native Americans. It would have been a much different situation and outcome if colonists arrived and the Americas were not depopulated from pandemic. I often wonder what that world would be like.
Gonna throw a hat in the ring here for the British Empire as the king of genocide.
Iirc ghenkis khan has everyone else beat.
Depends on the estimates you use.
No it doesn't. It's not even close. In terms of the worst genocides in history by death toll, the U.S. doesn't even make the top 10 list. Same with a more general list of anthropogenic disasters by death toll.
Leave that hurr durr US is big bad amirite shit on reddit.
Do you... Think that list is authoritative?
The population of Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 10 million.
135 million.
Not all of that was the US, the old empires of France and Spain and England played a huge role, but since it's founding the US has killed millions along with Canada and Mexico. Disease played a large role, but much of that was deliberately spread which muddies the estimates.
And that's just one of the genocides the US was involved in. There have been many others.
Do you… Think that list is authoritative?
Do you... want to provide more authoritative sources? Or even just start with one? So far you've cited zero.
Remember, your original assertion was "the US is still the king of genocide." Assuming your vague phrase of "king of genocide" means total number of people killed, then show an authoritative source that proves it, then we can talk.
You're sources contain literal Nazi propaganda and uses numbers from the Black Book of Communism; Queermunist's comment is more authoritative than that on it's own.
My attention was originally brought to this by the book Lies My Teacher Told Me - I listened to an audiobook so sadly I can't really search it for the relevant passage without investing a bunch of time. Instead, here's the relevant Wikipedia article which covers it. "The population of Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 7-15 million between the late 15th and late 17th centuries, representing a decline of around 90-95%."
Where is your list, or sources? Or should we just believe queermunist who I’m guessing is more sympathetic to communist nations?
No context? Your source that you posted even had Spain as killing millions of native Americans. For the USA itself - the trail of tears was 4,000-10,000. Most deaths were through disease.
So how again is the USA the most genocidal country on this planet? More than the holocaust? More than the Armenian genocide? The Killing Fields (Khmer rouge), Rwanda where 800,000 were killed in 100 days?
You are talking out of your ass, queermunist.
The Trail of Tears was one event among many others. The American Indian wars and Manifest Destiny saw the Native population decline from 600,000 to 250,000.
But the US doesn't get to pretend it doesn't inherit the genocide it was founded on! Killings that happened before 1776 were carried out by prominent colonial generals like George Washington before the Founding, and their forefathers like John Washington who the Iroquois named "devourer of villages".
Let's not forget the intentional hunting of buffalo to extinction in the wild by the US army, intended to starve the plains Natives to death or force them to flee. The US also had boarding schools like Canada, where they'd kidnap native children and brainwash them to be good little Christians that can't even speak their native languages.
The fact that you think the genocide was limited to a single event like the Trail of Tears is disturbing.
The international court doesn’t recognize displacement as genocide.
For fun though, we can use your numbers that have no sources. We will use the displacement numbers as well as all the European numbers that you believe the USA should inherit.
It doesn’t even make the top 10 as far as genocide goes.
Leave that hurr durr US is big bad amirite shit on reddit.
I think you misspelled China. Reddit being completely filled with imperial core propaganda is one of the main reasons a lot of us came to Lemmy.
Hot take, but I think we got a dethronement.
Please, do tell, how is the USA the most genocidal country on this earth?
No the first try was enough, I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt in case you were a child or just got a computer.
Benefit of the doubt in what regard? The claim was that USA was the most genocidal country.
I appreciate you giving a child like me the benefit of the doubt. Are you smarter than a 5th grader?