My perspective is that at least Into Darkness has a message? Kind of? '09 felt like Star Trek: Mountain Dew. Don't get me wrong though I don't feel either is worth defending and I put one second total into deciding the Kelvinverse order.
Beyond and 09 weren’t good, but I think Into Darkness was quite significantly worse. It was probably the single least creative movie I’ve ever seen, though I guess some other Abrams movies come close.
Very tight film. Christopher Plummer is excellent.
\2. Star Trek II / III / IV (as a complete Trilogy)
Can't separate these just like the LoTR films, anyways you got KHAN, the sacrifice of the Enterprise and Double Dumbass on you. Excellent trilogy.. (Note: Khan/Voyage/Search is the order of likeness)
\3. First Contact
It's the borg, gotta give it up for the Borg 👏
\4. Galaxy Quest
Never give up, never surrender!
\5. Star Trek TMP
Fuck you I LIKE Enterprise beauty shots set to Jerry Goldsmith music. With that said I like the story and character arcs of Kirk and Spock.
\6. Generations
It's OK. The rest of the DS9 uniform replacements won't arrive til Tuesday
\7. Star Trek V
Underrated. Has its moments. I think Sybok gives an excellent performance otherwise forgettable movie
\8. Star Trek Kelvin I
It's OK. Karl.Urban nails Bones.
Didn't see the others. I haven't been sold on seeing Insurrection and Nemesis ever despite easily able to and apparently I should give Beyond (Kelvin III) a chance.
Edit: so the numbers all got changed to 1 when posted and using ol reliable backslash to fix it did but left the slashes? I give up.
It's a good story on it's surface, but somehow also packs in a really good metaphor for the end of the Cold War, AND a metaphor about Star Trek as a franchise. Simply the best.
@GreenMario@lemm.ee, I seem to have discovered that you are my Star Trek preference twin.
Although, I would personally put Star Trek (2009) a bit ahead of V The Final Frontier, our teens profoundly negative reaction to it would make put it at the back or at best tied. There has been utter refusal from them to even attempt to watch Into Darkness and Beyond. Stuck watching them on my own, Beyond is a head shaker that spends all its time distracting from what could have been a good story with utter silliness like a motorcycle found randomly on a ship.
Into Darkness is in its own way as much a complete head scratcher as The Final Frontier, but with A list casting and more appalling results. In both cases, you can see the traces and structure of what might have been an interesting movie if only a massive train derailment hadn’t beset production somewhere and somehow.
I did however see Insurrection at first release as a family outing with the in-laws. It was fine, and worth a watch at home. In fact, its main issue is that it felt like it should be a made for cable movie rather than a cinematic release. There so much more awful stuff out there by comparison. Nemesis for a Trek example. By half way through I was was wanting to get back the ridiculously self indulgent Picard dune buggy opening sequence.
My final ranking.
1./ VI - The Undiscovered Country
2./ II, III, IV the complete trilogy
3./ First Contact
4./ I - The Motion Picture (I enjoy it more as I age and it’s remastered.)
@Corgana The Wrath of Khan
The Voyage Home
The Undiscovered Country
The Search for Spock
First Contact
The Motion Picture (With Marijuana)
Generations
The Motion Picture (Without Marijuana)
The Final Frontier
Insurrection
Nemesis
I'm totally with you ... especially on the "All Good Things" take ... Q is as iconic to TNG as the Borg and it's a shame he didn't make it into a film.
Interestingly, I'm thinking ... how much could they have just swapped the stories of Generations and All Good Things? Seems oddly feasible, with the whole Kirk thing being the most awkward component to handle.
Otherwise ... my only change would be to put Generations further up on the list ... I'm partial to it ... maybe it's just the look/cinematography of it?
The final frontier was bad. It was really bad. It had so much random stuff going on and had very little explanations about anything. They should have narrowed their focus a lot.
Y'know I watched it recently and I was prepared for the worst, but it's really not that bad. The plot is silly but there are some good character moments. It felt like TOS.
Big fan of Insurrection getting some respect! I love it for being the big budget, high production mashup of TNG that it clearly is, even though it also doubles down on the Picard-as-Action-Hero trend that ends up ruining Nemesis (IMO).
Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country - Wild card, I watched this with my dad, so it's my overall favorite for personal reasons. I'll defer to others on whether it really belongs at #1.
First Contact - Viola Davis is a national treasure and her performance elevates this film.
Voyage Home - The OG cast performing in peak conditions.
Wrath of Khan - It's ricidulous to put this masterpiece this low on my list. I'm sorry, and I will rethink my life.
Generations - Has a little is everything. I probably rank it higher because it is a celebration of Trek history. But that said, for the number of cast and cameos, this is a surprisingly great movie.
09 Yes, it's a popcorn blockbuster, but Chris Helmsworth's opening scene is a masterful performance, and plenty of solid Star Trek follows. Zoe Saldana is a national treasure and elevates this movie. Leonard Nimoy delivers another fantastic performance.
Beyond - The Yorktown is one of the coolest things I've seen in scifi, and the movie is solid.
Nemesis - An important chapter in Brent Spiner's decades long perfected Pinochio story.
Into darkness - Zoe Saldana is a national treasure and is unfortunately not in the remaining films in my list. I'm saying this tongue-in-cheek since plenty of Trek actors deserve highlighted here.
After this point, I really like the remaining films, but not enough to have strong feelings to rank them.
10-12) Search, Insurrection, Final Frontier
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The Motion Picture - Still a pretty great film, but the pacing issues prevent me from rewatching it often.
Putting Generations and Insurrection below Into Darkness is a slight I won't tolerate. Whatever flaws those movies had, they at least tried to explore something about the human condition.
@stuck@420blazeit69 it wouldn’t have even been a decent TNG episode. It’s like they pulled a rejected TNG script and decided to make a movie. Pretty much killed Trek movies even though one more managed to come out.