Android vs IOS

Privacy on a non-degoogled Android device is non existent. Just because only Google gets to munch on your data doesn't equal privacy.

This meme is brought to you by someone who has no clue what iOS can do.

Can you elaborate?
- iOS has privacy features built in. It has iCloud private relay which is essentially a VPN, and has dynamic IP and MAC addresses to limit tracking. You can also install profiles to modify your DNS however you want, just like on android without a jailbreak.
- I'm trying to that it is easier to be more private on android by setting methods such as DNS66. dns66 acts as a VPN so It can't be blocked by network providers. it is hard to setup measures to protect you privacy on ios and there are not many reliable methods in place on IOS without jailbreaking
Can iOS be bootloader unlocked? Can it be rooted?
- Probably - but not as easy as your android device. Ask the black hats if they prefer their victim on iOS or android - it should help identify the most insecure device.
- Technically that would make it expressly LESS secure. Is that your aim?
  
  Regarding privacy, Apple does end to end on the vast majority of their services. Their servers are set up using a unique, physical key, that is then broken so once running, no one can get to the data.
  
  Apps are sandboxed. Most every sensor or feature is gated behind a user setting to allow/deny.
  
  But the most critical, Apple is a hardware company. The lions share of profits come from hardware. Google is an ad service/data manager. Probably one of the biggest reasons they dove right to amassing market share by licensing the OS to everyone outside Apple. It certainly helps their vested interests.
  
  Trust whomever you like, but most things are true to their nature. Whether you want to believe it or not.

Privacy on graphene os

I'm patiently waiting for my 4th Pixel 5A RMA since they love frying motherboards outta nowhere but damn once you get grapheneos going it really is something else
- It makes the stock pixel seem so bloated with all the non-removable google apps. Like why can't I remove the pixel buds app?
  
  I never had any issues with the motherboard on my 5A, but I gave up on it after destroying the screen twice. I have a 6 now but it's annoyingly large, top heavy, and I have to keep it on LTE only mode to have decent battery life.

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does changing ur os void ur warranty?
- Ehhh, technically but its hard for them to tell if your able to switch back before turning it in. And if it doesn't boot then well... It's not going to be much of an issue then. Also it is a bit legally grey if companies can void you warrenty solely for installing a custom ROM.
- Depends on the brand. Xiaomi will (in most cases) service the phone even if the bootloader was unlocked and os changed, you just need to restore it to stock state. I haven't personally tried this, but I heard multiple stories confirming this.
- It shouldn't but, ya know capitalism

IOS has DNS profiles.

Yeah, OP has no clue if they think privacy is better on Android.
- Saying privacy is better on Android is literally insane, I can't think of a less private OS (talking about the version installed by manufacturers). Even Windows has some catching up to do to be as invasive.
For wifi, I was pleasantly surprised that I could set a custom DNS on iOS while still using DHCP for other settings. Can only set DNS on Android if I use manual IP (or just use Wireguard).

Edit: not true, Android can have custom DNS with DHCP, see below.
- I don't think that's true, Android has a setting called "Private DNS" that allows you to set a custom DNS while using DHCP. I'm using it right now.
Does iOS have button to disable camera and mic access all together?

The operating system that Google created to collect your data is secure? Not unless you get rid of all the Google services.

Don't confuse privacy and security. Android is a very secure system.
- Android is AOSP, it has no Google at all. Don't confuse OEM ROMs and Android Open Source Project. As someone with GrapheneOS I can only laugh when someone calls iOS more private
- Android is a very secure system
  
  Except for the ridiculously powerful permissions you need to give most system-type apps in order for them to function (i.e. read and paint over all screen content) because the accessibility APIs are shit, and password manager APIs too fragmented to be useful.
  
  Sometimes the policy of “you will use our API and you will be happy” is actually beneficial for users.

The whiplash between posts on Lemmy is so great.

Everyone seems to hate google and how invasive they are while simultaneously simping for google’s mobile OS

This shit is so stupid.

If one person believes one thing and another person believes the opposite, that doesn't mean they're hypocrites. That means there isn't a consensus. Besides, android can be better than iOS and deserving of criticism at the same time.
Or maybe people hate Google ruining the internet AND realise that iOS is still much worse than Android? The two things are in no way mutually exclusive unless you view the world as a tribal binary.
Android can be whatever a dedicated community wants it to be, since it's open source at its AOSP core.

I love AOSP, but I hate what Google does with it. Or most other manufacturers, for that matter.
- Chromium is open source, too, but so many projects putting all their eggs in the same basket gives Google carte blanche to push any standard they want as a new de-facto standard before the rest of us can decide on whether it's ready or needs changes or is just bad.
If you can't or don't want to root the phone and install your own de-Googled Android rom then you could get an Android phone designed for mainland China, which will come with all of the Google stuff already removed.
- Because I’d trust anything Chinese/for China more than I’d trust google.
Android is less secure then apple tbh its so bloated with Google crap
- I don't see any bloat on my lineageOS phone.

You can't even install DNS66 from the play store because Google bans apps that block ads. This meme is way off the mark and I'm and android fanboy.

If you are a android user that thinks the only source of apps is google play store, you aren't a real android user
The meme didn't mention the play store, anyone actually concerned with this stuff likely also is savvy enough to install apps without the play store.
You can still install it from fdroid or github. And there's an alternative called PersonalDNSFilter if you really wanted an app from the play store.
You can get it off f-droid
Lol me who just installed nextDNS from the play store
- Do you know you can just use the private dns option if you are on Android > 9. I use nextdns too.

This is such a brain dead take. You cannot compare an OS from one developer to a device from another unspecified manufacturer with no context. No one would claim that a Samsung phone is more private than an iPhone, regardless of the "potential" in the context of degoogling, or the niche privacy switch that's present on less than 1/10,000 Android devices sold.

Yeah its much more fair to compare pixel devices to iphones. And it still matters if you install a custom rom onto it or not. In my use case yes a pixel is more secure but a lot of people who just go with the out if the box experience may be safer with apple.

Regular Android < iOS < Custom ROM

Stock android ain't to bad
- It’s almost impossible to buy a phone with plain android on it. Google’s version on the pixel is nice to use, but a privacy nightmare
Custom rom maintained by Pakalu Papito who does not even have original device? World is not that simple.
- Install From Dev's who make userbuilds with actual devices. Who said to install roms from a random dev.

Button to disable all sensors? Which phone has this?

My phone has it.
- And how can we be sure it's doing what it says? It's software, on most phones you don't control software that is running above apps layer.
Librem phone has physical switches to turn off shit.

Lol

At least i dont have to (cant) use chromium on iOs.

Didn’t google only recently get the ability to block apps access to stuff like your camera, microphone, files etc? That was in iOS over a decade ago

No, the app permissions prompts for those things have been around forever, they aren't remotely new.
Its just now possible to turn it off for all apps with one swipe and on click. Like I know WhatsApp need Microphone access for voicemail, but I can turn off the access for all apps with one click and turn it one for all apps with access when I need it
No, its been there for about the same time ios. A few years ago now they changed it so that the permissions are asked for from inside the app (when X is used) instead of when installing if that is what you are thinking about

Pretty accurate, though google does collect a lot of data...