Damn Linux Users
Damn Linux Users
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Linux users and Wayland users
Linux users with X11 users
Linux users with GNOME users
Linux users with KDE Plasma users
Linux users with Systemd users
Linux users with openrc users
Linux users with snaps users
Linux users with flatpak users
Linux users with appimage users
Linux users with native packages users
Linux users and Ubuntu users
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Linux users and Arch users, btw
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Linux users with Emacs users
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Linux users with Hannah Montana users
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Linux users and Temple OS users!
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You Linux users sure are a contentious people.
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For something that is supposedly such a cool solution, it sure causes a hell of a lot of problems nearly constantly. /s
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I like how this implies that Groundskeeper Willie uses Linux.
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What you think heโs running Windows 11 with an Office 365 subscription in that tool shed of his?
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Technically nVidia chose that fight, not Linux users. nVidia is chocked full of proprietary implementations meant to bog down competition, for example all CUDA technology including translation layers are technically illegal to even look at without nVidia proprietary drivers. All alternatives are free open source, afaik.
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I agree, but that's what a linux user would say...
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I agree, but thatโs what a linux user would sayโฆ
"linux user" should be put in double quotes :)
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Technically nVidia chose that fight, not Linux users.
nVidia is chocked full of proprietary implementations meant to bog down competition, for example all CUDA technology including translation layers are technically illegal to even look at without nVidia proprietary drivers.
This already described that Linux user started that fight, and they chose it.
But they cannot do anything than using the proprietary drivers, screaming about moral, propagating GNUism.
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Nobody cares whose fault it is. At the end of the day it's a Linux issue to fix.
Edit: And they hated him for speaking the unfortunate truth.
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itโs a Linux issue
Not a linux's issue, though. When they don't have documentation, they can decide not to write a driver, and not to use proprietary drivers too.
But nvidia doesn't care about linux, doesn't target linux. And current "linux communities" can't do anything but whine.
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Lmao, Linux developers aren't allowed to use the proprietary software and firmware unless they're completely non-profit, and even then if it is too similar to nVidia's intellectual property it can still be taken down. Only nVidia are authorized to create drivers which use CUDA.
The hardware manufacturers are intentionally making it difficult to use their own hardware, that's got nothing to do with Linux, Mac, Windows, or any other Operating System because it was never their job to create drivers for every hardware in the first place.
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They ruined Linux!
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nano is better than vi, change my mind.
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Vi yes, vim no
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sam > vi > nano > vim > emacs ed is the standard editor
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There's nothing to change. Nano is better designed, but vi is a more powerful tool.
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Micro or bust!
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Why we have to care much about software usage. This is the current issue of linux communities, which decrease user qualities.
Our enemy Microsoft and other "big tech" laugh people like these. They are using linux just like they use windows, even bring the bad, flawed windows culture to linux.
Don't let the enemy to laugh at us.
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I've known some fantastic developers that used Nano as their primary editor. It supports syntax highlighting, linting, and bracket matching (jumping to the matching opening bracket when a closing one is selected, and vice versa), which is enough for some people.
Sure, it's no micro, but it's already installed practically everywhere.
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Hate the irrational hate for Nvidia, Wayland or some desktop . I'm just out here trying to help others figure out their problem and some asshole comments"Nvidia doesn't work on wayland", "just get an amd card", "Wayland will never work" or "gsync doesn't work in Linux with multiple monitors".
All of them are equally absurd, the last one largely true on xorg for any GPU. Xorg doesn't do mixed frame rates. Also it doesn't help the person who is using an Nvidia card because there are solutions for most issues. Those issues are just not well understood because there was a time Nvidia drivers just didn't work on wayland etc.
I hate gatekeepers and purist that just make anyone who might be new to the platform feel attacked or alienated. No one cares about your ideologies if they're not asking and the idiots that parot it doesn't prove anything other than your part of the loud minority. Just being kind to one another and being understanding of other peoples decisions can go a long way to growing a healthy supportive community.
I'm still a little frustrated about the behavior of people when I was trying to help someone setup hardware video acceleration in their browser. And another that wanted to use a different distro but found Nvidia worked best on arch for him.
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I am going to continue to tell people "just get an AMD card", but only if they have indicated to me that they are shopping for new parts and haven't committed to any yet.
Giving that advice to someone who already has an Nvidia card is just as useless as those StackOverflow answers that suggest you dump your whole project architecture and stuff some big dumb library into your build to solve a simple problem.
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Hey man, the best way to quit smoking is to never start in the first place. Heh heh heh.
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I am planning to shop for new parts (well, strictly speaking I continue to plan for more than a year already, but life gets in the way). I can't decide between the better compatibility of AMD and (supposedly) more features of Nvidia
I have just started trying to make sense of the situation searching the internet, but I would appreciate it if you can sum up what's the pros and cons for my use case: I mostly use GPU for gaming, consider participation in ML crowd sourcing like AI horde, sometimes edit images or video. Plus, I mostly use Win now and want to use Linux in dual boot on the new machine
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Nvidia has created a bit of a sore spot for many Linux Developers and thus users. Through their actions and non actions made it impossible to create FOSS drivers for their hardware that work well and are integrated and tested with the rest of the system.
Many fresh users don't seem to recognize the reason why they are having a sub par experience using their hardware is Nvidia and not the open source community. They often blame and complain to the developers of the open source drivers or applications, who either have to hack around hurdles placed by Nvidia or cannot inspect closed source drivers written by that company.
It is IMO understandable that at some point the community stops providing free and unpaid customer support for hardware and software, they have no control over or don't even own.
If you would start paying them, then I suspect you might get better answers. Otherwise you just get information about stuff people are excited about.
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As a developer, I really don't like how Wayland has fractured the ecosystem. Competing immature protocols are still all over the place while the immobility of x11 has spoiled us for years. It's getting better, but in the meantime I can still write an x11 app which will work mostly everywhere (thanks to xwayland), whereas a wayland app may not work everywhere (not on X11, and not on compositors which don't implement the right combinations of protocols).
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As a user I like no screen tearing, low latency, no soft locks from apps crashing, no softlock when a window is capturing the keyboard while the screen is locked, no weird artifacts from hardware accelerated effects, no app windows blanking out and lagging usually web apps (still happens in XWayland),etc.
I still miss being able to kill the screen locker from the terminal, made me feel like a hacker.
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wayland sux
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Linux users and Fromsoft fanboys seem to be cut from the same cloth "Just get gud."
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Yeah. I'm guilty of doing that to myself, I use Arch and neovim btw. Your perspective kinda changes when someone close to you that wants to switch to Linux she found windows frustrating or start getting into more than just animal crossing and the sims but finds camera controls disorienting or both. (Mother)
A lot of these new people who want a better experience for themselves but find certain technology issues daunting and they really get the raw end of the deal when they run into the loud minority. I also blame Linux Bros for promising the moon and with no issues.
It's about as difficult and as exciting (for some) as switching to Macos for the first time, ask me how I know.
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Damn Linux Users!!!!!
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They ruined the Year of Linux!
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You've just made a bootloop for life!
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Windows isn't Linux's brother !
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Nope, bs
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If you are gems in this limestone community I'd suggest you to get out of Linux instead :)
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yeahhh ngl windows mac nvidia linux mint ubuntu fedora and debian all suck
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CoconutOS is the one and only true OS and everyone should be using it and everyone else is wrong.
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My list of stuff that sucks is this many: 3.14159 .....
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Just because we suggest a better option doesnt mean we are your enemy :)
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Just what the enemy would say! 8
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Meme confirms it. BSD is so dead it wasnโt worth mentioning.
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BSD is so dead
No evidence.
Linux might won on quantity, but its quality is not comparable to BSDs.
A typical example is OpenBSD, to quote Michael W. Lucas:
Many open source operating system put a lot of effort into growing their user base, evangelizing, and bringing new people into the Unix fold. OpenBSD does not.
The communities surrounding other operating systems actively encourage new users and try to make newbies feel welcome. OpenBSD specifically and deliberately does not.
The developers know exactly who their target market is: themselves. If you can use their work, that's great. If not, go away until you can.
They will not hold your hand. They will not develop new features to please users. OpenBSD exist to meet the needs of the developers, and while others are welcome to ride along, the needs of the passengers do not steer the project.
And it still live well?!@
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It was a joke comment and a play on "Netcraft confirms it. BSD is dying" meme from 20 years ago
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I use linux and a mac, what about it?
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different distribution fights. Different display manager/desktop environment/window manager users fight.
Why can't they just left (stupid, means user that want a friendly and lagging desktop environment; ignore this word) users to use things like gnome and kde and other desktop environment, they can still use their wm for maximum productivity and performance.
This is a very stupid fight.
Look at the BSDs, OpenBSD users can laugh on FreeBSD for having to support wine, running ia32 binaries on amd64, broken at securelevel 1, having so many extension for ls(1). FreeBSD can laugh on OpenBSD for using giant lock (doesn't take advantage of multiprocessor machine), ...
These are each operating system's issue
But they don't fight for that.
https://www.bsdfrog.org/pub/events/my_bsd_sucks_less_than_yours-full_paper.pdf
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By calling them stupid you are actively participating in the fight yourself
There are very valid reasons both for and against WMs
Whole point of Linux is allowing user choice, why get on people's cases about what they can and can't use
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By calling them stupid you are actively participating in the fight yourself
Sorry :)
There are very valid reasons both for and against WMs
Whole point of Linux is allowing user choice, why get on peopleโs cases about what they can and canโt use
In my mind I call them "stupid" because I personally thinks desktop environments are "stupid". Sometimes this flew on the keyboard. Sorry for that.
A better word to describe those de/wm is "crap". Just my personal thought.
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Congratulations, you just called someone stupid who actually understands what a zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is.
KDE is perfectly sufficient for my needs. Used it even back in the days where I used XMonad as wm because it takes care of the 100000 tiny things that aren't worth optimising.
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I mean in a way I get it, psychologically.
When you embrace Linux, you - sadly - also have to embrace the fiddling. Still, even in 2024. It's gotten worlds better, but it still exists. But as it is a choice to swap to Linux - usually from Windows - you do not perceive this fiddling as a shared plight you can bond and laugh over, instead you see it as the "cost" of embracing Linux.
As a result, whatever setup you end up with has to be mentally justified to your own brain. A bit like a post-purchase rationalization. So you mentally consider your specific end result to be vastly superior to all other possible ones, after all, this is why you did it! You put in the work to create this, it must be superior.
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