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Planning on moving over from Windows 10 to Linux for my Personal Work Station. Can't decide which OS I should switch to.

Windows has been a thorn in my side for years. But ever since I started moved to Linux on my Laptop and swapping my professional software to a cross platform alternative, I've been dreaming on removing it from my SSD.

And as soon as I finish my last few projects, I can transition. (I want to do it now).

Trouble is which I danced my way across multiple amazing distros, I can't decide which one to land on since the one software I want to test, Davinci Resolve doesn't work on my Intel Powered Laptop. (curse you intel implementation of OpenCL).

So the opinions of those of you who've used Davinci Resolve, Unity/Godot, and/or FreeCAD. I want it to be stable with minimal down time on hardware with a AMD Ryzen 5 1600x and a RTX 3050. Here's the OS's I am looking at.

CentOS (alt Fedora)

  • Pro: Recommended by Davinci Resolve for the OS, has good package manager GUI that separates Applications and System Software (DNF Dragon), Good support for multiple Desktop Environments I like. Game Support is excellent and about a few months behind arch.
  • Con: When I last installed Fedora my OS Drives BTFS file system died a horrific and brutal death, losing all of my data. Can't have that. And I personally do not like DNF and how slow it makes updating and browsing packages.

Debain (alt Linux Mint DE)

  • Pro: The most stable OS I've used, with a wide range of software support both officially in the distros package manager, or from developers own website. I am most familiar with this OS and APT
  • Cons: Ancient packages which may cause issues with Davinci Resolve and Video Games. An over reliance on the terminal to fix simple problems (though this can be said for most linux distros). I personally don't like APT and how it manages the software.

EndevourOS (alt Manjaro)

  • Pro: The most up to date OS, great for games with the AUR giving support for a lot of software which isn't available on other distros.
  • Cons: Manjaro has died on me once, and is a hassle to setup right and keep up. EndevourOS has no Package Manager GUI, and is over reliant on the Terminal. Can't use pacman in a terminal the commands are confusing.

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed

  • Pro: Like Fedora but doesn't use DNF, good game support
  • Cons: Software isn't as well supported.

Edit: from the sounds of thing, and the advice from everyone. I think what I’ll do is an install order while testing distros (either in distro box or on a spare ssd) in the following order.

Debain/Mint DE -> OpenSUSE -> EndevourOS -> CentOS

This list is mostly due to stability and support for nvidia drivers.

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  • You'll have the die-hard "XX is the best distros" and the "distros are irrelevant, choose a DE" answers here. The reality is that it will all boil down to your hardware, use case and willingness to tinker, in that same order.

    For example, I love PopOS for laptops with Nvidia cards, only because I am used to the Cosmic version of Gnome PopOS has used all these years (looking forward to the proper Cosmic DE once its out), but for PC (regardless of GPU) I'd rather use Fedora KDE (customized to a Gnome feel) because I find it easy to customize to a very granular degree, and I feel Fedora has the best mix of cutting edge + stability.

    As you can see, there's a whole lot of "I" in my comment. That's the beauty of Linux, whatever you end up sticking with, you get to make it as YOURS as you want it to be.

    Arch derived distros require more carefully maintenance than most other base distros (RHEL and Debian), but are also great to actually learn Linux more deeply. RHEL derived distros, IMO, are a better balance between "it just works" and "I can make this happen", and Debian based are the easiest to maintain, mainly because it tends to be what the most popular distros out there are based on, which makes for a much larger community for when we hit a brick wall (when, not if).

    Bottom line is that I believe you would be better off going the route you mentioned, and going through the pitfalls of each until you find that sweet spot.

    And of course, once you're on that road, come and ask anything you want, most of us are always happy to help if we can.

    • Oh I knew I cast a wide net when I posted here. Wasn't looking for which distros were best, but rather common pitfalls in this communities zeitgeist, as well as the 1 or two users who actually use the software I am using and any issues that they came across.

      For example Fedora was high on my list of potentials before it was pointed out that it has issues with Nvidia's drivers. As I am looking for minimal down time/setup it dropped on my list.

      I also heard from someone who is using it on Arch which means I have a fallback if my distros of choice fails.

      • It sounds like you and JJLinux are on the same page. Their advice about hardware, use case, and willingness to tinker is spot on. I might argue that the Davinci Resolve (Studio) use case make these considerations even more important.

        I have been using Davinci Resolve on Linux since DR 15 and know the pain you are going through. Although it looks like you have your solution, I would just like to post what works for me and suggest resources just in case it might help. I know the less painful (to me) route of getting it working in a reasonably reliable fashion.

        These are the distros that currently work for me for use in professional situations:

        Laptop with Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU - Pop OS

        Pros - Can install Pop OS version with working Nvidia drivers, Battery life is generally better (still not good when Nvidia GPU in use)

        Cons - Updates may involve more work (there is probably a better way to update that I haven't tried) - I used the Daniel Tufvesson method of install originally on Ubuntu and later on Pop OS - https://www.danieltufvesson.com/makeresolvedeb. Not even sure if I'm doing updates in the easiest way. I have just been redoing the process. It might have changed lately.

        The journey with the laptop was dual boot, Ubuntu, Pop. Would not recommend Ubuntu. The usual drivers, audio, and install issues (to be fair I think they are fixed?)

        Desktop with Intel CPU and AMD GPU - Endeavour OS

        Pros - Can install directly from Aur

        Cons - AMD drivers work for everything but DR out of the box. Drivers take some fiddling with AMD but using Archwiki on DR makes it way easier - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/DaVinci_Resolve. It may not apply to Endeavour but I had conflicts when I installed Blender along side Davinci in Garuda.

        The journey with the desktop was Manjaro (nvidia), Garuda (nvidia and then AMD), to Endeavour. Generally won't recommend Manjaro - it worked OK for me but required fixing. Garuda worked (Zen Kernel) until Blender install + OS update (dependencies), was always looking at either Garuda (works well with Aur install of DR and games) or Endeavour. Endeavour OS works...it feels less bloated and open to tinkering. It does need a bit more tinkering, but Pamac and research on arch wiki will help a lot.

        There are more pros and cons but these are the ones that helped me to make a choice.

        Sorry for wall of text when you may already have the best solution. I have not tried any of those methods that others have suggested so maybe post how it goes! I definitely would be interested in your experience.

  • Another vote for Debian stable with backports and flatpaks. I don't really have an issue with outdated software, and I really like "apt", maybe because I'm so used to it as this point. I've been running mainly Debian for 12+ years now.

    My second choice for personal use would be Arch Linux. I had very good experience with it back in the day and their wiki is fantastic. But I'm too comfortable with the simplicity and stability of Debian at this point.

    At work I use Ubuntu because everyone else uses it. It's not too bad. I just ignore all the crap I don't like (like snaps).

  • Debain (alt Linux Mint DE) Pro: The most stable OS I’ve used, with a wide range of software support both officially in the distros package manager, or from developers own website. I am most familiar with this OS and APT Cons: Ancient packages which may cause issues with Davinci Resolve and Video Games

    I don't use Davinci Resolve but I do play videogames, I build my own desktop for it and I use Linux MX (Debian), it's rock solid.

    "Ancient packages" are not a problem with backports, there are also flatpacks if some backports are not enough for you, or DEB packages directly from software developers (I manually install a couple of those).

    The only games you will have problems with are those implementing invasive DRM, but that's not a "Debian" problem, Linux in general doesn't support that kind of DRM (not yet at least), tho I personally don't mind since I think DRM is stupid and I've always tried to avoid it.

    • That was my consensus with software like Lutris and adding Wine’s packages

      • Yeah Lutris has fantastic scripts that do everything for you, also the Steam store is really good even if you don't buy from them, checking that a game is verified for Steam Deck is a guarantee it will work on any other Linux PC.

      • I didn't add which GPU I have but I saw you asking in other posts so: currently NVIDIA 4070 with proprietary drivers.

        I've been using NVIDIA on my Linux desktop for over a decade, it always worked very well tho you have to install proprietary drivers (opensource ones are not good enough if you use software that requires performance), Linux MX has a script (menu item) to install them, very easy.

        In all this time, only a couple of times I had serious problems with a kernel update (something that can happen with any distro), but Linux MX always keeps boot entries for the last 3 kernels so when it happened I just booted with a previous one and waited a few days for devs to fix it (no tinkering on my part required).

        NVIDIA cards have problems on laptops, those I only buy Intel, but a dedicated card on desktop is good.

  • I had the same apprehensions as you against using a CLI package manager, but I have to say it's grown on me. I used Debian based OSes for 5-10 years and I swore by Synaptic.

    After only a short while with Endeavour though, I found that I was perfectly happy to run sudo pacman -Ss to search for software — or yay for the AUR. It's been my daily driver for a couple of years now.

  • Choice of distro isn't as important anymore as it used to be in the past. There's containerization and distro-independent packaging like Flatpak or AppImage. Also, most somewhat popular distors can be made to run anything, even things packaged for other distros. Sure, you can make things easier for yourself choosing the right distro for the right use case, but that's unfortunately a process you need to go through yourself.

    Generally, there's 3 main "lines" of popular Linux distros: RedHat/SuSE (counting them together because they use the same packaging format RPM), Debian/Ubuntu, and Arch. Fedora and OpenSuSE are derived from RedHat and SuSE respectively, Ubuntu is derived from Debian but also stands on its own feet nowadays (although both will always be very similar), Mint and Pop!OS are both derived from Ubuntu so will always be similar to Ubuntu and Debian as well), and Endeavour is derived from Arch.

    I'd recommend using Fedora if you don't like to tinker much, otherwise use Arch or Debian. You can't go wrong with any of those three, they've been around forever and they are rock solid with either strong community backing or both strong community and company backing in the case of Fedora. Debian is, depending on edition, less up to date than the other two, but still a rock solid distro that can be made more current by using either the testing or unstable edition and/or by installing backports and community-made up to date packages. It's more work to keep it updated of course. Don't be misled by Debian's labels - Debian testing at least is as stable as any other distro.

    Ubuntu is decent, just suffers from some questionable Canonical decisions which make it less popular among veterans. Still a great alternative to Debian, if you're hesitant about Debian because of its software version issues, but still want something very much alike Debian. It's more current than Debian, but not as current as a rolling or semi-rolling release distro such as Arch or Fedora.

    OpenSuSE is probably similar in spirit and background to Fedora, but less popular overall, and that's a minus because you'll find less distro-specific help for it then. Still maybe a "hidden gem" - whenever I read about it, it's always positive.

    Endeavour is an alternative to Arch, if pure Arch is too "hard" or too much work. It's probably the best "Easy Arch-based" distro out of all of them. Not counting some niche stuff like Arco etc.

    Mint is generally also very solid and very easy, like Ubuntu, but probably better. If you want to go the Ubuntu route but don't like Ubuntu that much, check out Mint. It's one of the best newbie-friendly distros because it's very easy to use and has GUI programs for everything.

    Pop!OS is another Ubuntu/Mint-like alternative, very current as well.

    For gaming and new-ish hardware support, I'd say Arch, Fedora or Pop!OS (and more generally, rolling / semi-rolling release distros) are best suited.

    Well that's about it for the most popular distros.

  • You already know why you should pick Debian:

    Pro: The most stable OS I’ve used

    About your "ancient packages" that's an easy fix, just install all your software using Flatpak/Flathub and you'll get the latest software on your rock solid base system.

  • I wouldn't recommend any of those. Since you have Nvidia go with Linux Mint or Pop os as they both have good support for Nvidia.

  • Imo go straight to archlinux. With Archinstall it is significantly less work than people say, I got mine working in less than an hour, with minimal issues. I was on Manjaro for a while and loved the experience, shame about the issues they have. EndeavourOS seems alright but i had issues with the live image (no wifi)

  • I use Opensuse leap. It works for me. If i cant find software i want i use the nix package manager

  • I think an important consideration is which desktop environment you want to use as you're more likely to get better graphics support with a distro that defaults to your favourite de.

    I used to use Mint, but I recently switched to OpenSuSE as I have decided I prefer using KDE. I could install KDE in Mint but I had a few graphical glitches and annoyances with it's apps being designed for cinnamon/gtk. Meanwhile no issues with OpenSuSE. I also have an Nvidia card and AMD CPU.

    The other thing to consider given your graphics needs is a more gaming focused distro. I use Nobara on my living room PC which I use for gaming; it's pretty good although that machine is an AMD iGPU. I have considered moving that to OpenSuSE for consistency with my desktop but I like it as it is tbh.

    I tried Mamjaro in the recent past - it's nice but I didn't like the Arch packaging system. The AUR is good but I've found everything I want via other routes on other systems, and Mamjaro failed on me soon after I started using it. May have been coincidence buf I decided I couldn't use a system like that - I just didn't want to be problem solving so much on my daily driver.

    I've also tried Fedora. I really didn't like that system - again it was the package management system and the BTRFS file system caused me endless issues.

    I like OpenSuSE's Yast and Zypper package management tools. I also like the debian Apt package management system.

    Last consideration: Debian systems have a lot of support available due to it being the base to lots of derivatives like Ubuntu and it's own derivatives like Mint etc. OpenSuSE has less of that generic support - it's there but it's not the same scale, ubiquitous support.

  • I dont get the "alt" do you want CentOS (which doesnt exist, but I think Stream is better anyways) or Fedora?

    Run Davinci resolve in a container, no internet access maybe, fixed dependencies that dont update. Ublue has a container image that you can run with podman.

  • sorry if i might repeat someones answer, i did not read everything.

    it seems you want it for "work" that assumes that stability and maybe something like LTS is dort of the way to go. This also assumes older but stable packages. maybe better choose a distro that separates new features from bugfixes, this removes most of the hassle that comes with rolling release (like every single bugfix comes with two more new bugs, one removal/incompatible change of a feature that you relied on and at least one feature that cripples stability or performance whilst you cannot deactivate it... yet...)

    likely there is at least some software you most likely want to update out of regular package repos, like i did for years with chromium, firefox and thunderbird using some shellscript that compared current version with latest remote to download and unpack it if needed.

    however maybe some things NEED a newer system than you currently have, thus if you need such software, maybe consider to run something in VMs maybe using ssh and X11 forwarding (oh my, i still don't use/need wayland *haha)

    as for me, i like to have some things shared anyway like my emails on an IMAP store accessible from my mobile devices and some files synced across devices using nextcloud. maybe think outside the box from the beginning. no arch-like OS gives you the stability that the already years-long-hung things like debian redhat/centos offer, but be aware that some OSes might suddenly change to rolling release (like centos i believe) or include rolling-release software made by third parties without respecting their own rules about unstable/testing/stable branches and thus might cripple their stability by such decisions. better stay up to date if what you update to really is what you want.

    but for stability (like at work) there is nothing more practical than ancient packages that still get security fixes.

    roundabout the last 15 years or more i only reinstalled my workstation or laptop for:

    • hardware problems, mostly aged disk like ssd wearlevel down (while recovery from backup or direct syncing is not reinstalling right?)
    • OS becomes EOL. thats it.

    if you choose to run servers and services like imap and/or nextcloud, there is some gain in quickly switching the workstation without having to clone/copy everything but only place some configs there and you're done.

    A multi-OS setup is more likely to cover "all" needs while tools like x2vnc exist and can be very handy then, i nearly forgot that i was working on two very different systems, when i had such a setup.

    I would suggest to make recovery easy, maybe put everything on a raid1 and make sure you have on offsite and an offline backup with snapshots, so in case of something breaks you just need to replace hardware. thats the stability i want for the tools i work with at least.

    if you want to use a rolling release OS for something work related i would suggest to make sure no one externally (their repo, package manager etc) could ever prevent you from reinstalling that exact version you had at that exact point in time (snapshots from repos install media etc). then put everything in something like ansible and try out that reapplying old snapshots is straight forward for you, then (and not earlier) i would suggest that those OSes are ok for something you consider to be as important as "work". i tried arch linux at a time when they already stopped supporting the old installer while the "new" installer wasn't yet ready at all for use, thus i never really got into longterm use of archlinux for something i rely on, bcause i could'nt even install the second machine with the then broken install procedure *haha

    i believe one should consider to NOT tinker too much on the workstation. having to fix something you personally broke "before" beeing able to work on sth important is the opposite of awesome. better have a second machine instead, swappable harddrive or use VMs.

    The exact OS is IMHO not important, i personally use devuan as it is not affected by some instability annoyances that are present in ubuntu and probably some more distros that use that same software. at work we monitor some of those bugs of that software. within ubuntu cause it creates extra hassle and we workaround those so its mostly just a buggy annoying thing visible in monitoring.

  • You can use my post as reference and guide: https://feddit.de/post/9087676

    I would also recommend checking out Distrobox, especially for DaVinci Resolve. This decouples your programs from the host OS, which allows you to run DVR on any distro and get the newest software, containerised on Debian for example.

    I personally am a huge fan of Fedora Atomic, especially uBlue. It's almost the same as regular Fedora, but way more reliable and with a new concept in mind. uBlue already has Distrobox pre-installed.

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