GP5000 S TR 28mm vs GP5000 AS TR 32mm on Winspace Hyper 23 SE
GP5000 S TR 28mm vs GP5000 AS TR 32mm on Winspace Hyper 23 SE
Hi everyone, i hope to find any of the r/Velo geeks here as well.
I finally got myself a nice carbon Wheelset, Lun Winspace Hyper 23 SE 40mm, it has a 21 internal width and nearly 28mm outer width. Now i am undecided which tyres to fit the set. I have the choice out of two sets that i have laying around in fairly mint conditions. The first is the conti gp5000 S TR 28mm and the second the conti gp5000 AS TR 32mm. I got the latter to fit my winter configuration, and I have enjoyed it on the Aluminum DT Swiss P1850 wheels, internal width 19mm.
Winspace specifies the Hyper 23 SE is best matched with 25-28mm tires, following the transition from rim to tire is nearly flat, beyond the 28mm you can get a little bulp, potentially sacrificing aero benefits. Peak torque had made a very insightful video about this too where he concluded the airflow might not attached back to the rim using the wider tire. Now, i am not a racer, but i do enjoy optimising the configuration.
Another point of consideration is the weight, it seems the S TR 28mm weighs around 280 grams, and the AS TR 32mm a full 105 grams more. That is 210 grams for a set. Around me, the area is flat as a pancake, but next month I aim to cycle the Amstel Gold 150km, that will have a more fluent course where lower weight can help me getting up the hills faster for less power. Saving me energy to help avoid being slowest in our group of friends.
Bicyclerollingresistance has made analyses of both tires, but categorised the AS TR 32mm as a gravel tire, so i can’t make a head to head comparison on the site. They did have the AS TR 28mm in the road category to compare with the S TR 28mm. The 32mm and 35mm supposedly have a higher thread thickness compared to the smaller. Wet grip is also noted as a pro of the AS TR with a slight penalty on rolling resistance.
Many will say 32mm is simply more comfortable then 28mm due to lower pressure they allow. I am pretty lightweight, i think the system weight will tally up to 75 kg maybe, so i am not confidant i will get my best bang of comfort over mm when going from 28mm to 32mm.
Any opinions anyone has to share would be greatly appreciated
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I’m not the person you want to answer this but nobody has replied yet and I find this interesting.
In my one year of cycling and devouring all information on YouTube, to me it seems the 32 is the more practical comfortable and possibly faster set. I say faster because of this Video.
It seems influencers in the cycling world are all about going wider on tires at the moment, with 32 being the gold standard. Since you have both sets, I would personally be inclined to set them up with a tube (perhaps cheap tpu tubes off aliexpress) and see which ones I prefer! Also, I would take a look at your average riding pace and see if you would benefit from aero.
Again, I am just some new amateur on the internet, but I hope this helps!
Cheers, appreciate your input really. Like you, one spirals into the rabi thole of marginal gains (i hate that phrase) quite rapidly once you take the plunge.
That was an interesting video, again mentioning the increased of comfort going higher. I tried spotting the wheel set they use in the video, they look like Roval CL 50 Disc Wheelset , that has internal width of 21mm and external of 30mm. Theoretically, it would mean a 30mm tire would still be flush with the rim. They also seem to be a tad heavier then me, so i am not surprised they felt the 32s gave them better comfort. I think they really should have mentioned those data points as the optimisation seems to be a function of all of those variables.
I couldn't help myself, and did crosspost on reddit. I did receive a valuable insight that I hadn't noticed before. Many seem to stagger their tire width between the front and the rear, for example 28mm in the front and 30mm in the back. By doing that, one is trying to capture both aero gains in the front and comfort gains in the back. It is believed that the aero penalty of thicker tires is less significant in the rear as airflow has already been impacted by your bike, legs, and bottle cage. I think it is an interesting concept I will likely try it out.
Sadly, I have the 28mm mounted already, with fresh sealant too. So I think I will first make a couple of rounds with those, and then switch the back to the 32mm. It will be a mismatch in tyre model, as the front is the more supple thinner S TR and the rear will be the sturdier AS TR. However, I think i am not that experienced to feel that difference anyway.
@good_hunter @fetter everything stated above is correct, but I think the most correct bit is "I can't tell"
The most likely thing to notice may be less flats with the larger tyre, but even that is really hard to quantify in the real world.
I wouldn't fret too much, just have fun tinkering and riding :)