@dankm @veganpizza69 such tech is becoming mandatory, this is a good thing.

@Gorilladrums21 They weren't delivered yet, they are Tesla property.

Protests are only effective if they are disruptive.

@Gorilladrums21 @return2ozma legality does not define morality.

@InternetUser2012 still isn't yours till it's delivered

@bstix @PanArab if you want solid ground contact offroad, look at legged vehicles.

@bstix @PanArab why roads at all? Rails for all bulk mechanical transport.

Tyres for tractors (on farms), push/electric bikes, and personal mobility devices. And probably forklifts. Everyhing else is hard wheeled (trains and indoor trolleys).

@InternetUser2012 @theacharnian and it's not 'someone's' it is a corporations, one with $44B to gift someone.

@return2ozma Older Tesla's one can give the owner the benefit of the doubt that they purchased it before Elon showed his true colours. No Cybertruck owner has that defence.

They are lucky it's just paint.

I'm sure paint comes off 'stainless' steel real easy....

@davehtaylor @Staden_ thanks for the heads up that there is an obvious treatment for precocious puberty, my family has quite a history of it.

@figstick @Tak you probably need a density of more than 1 person per square km. That is where most people live. It is great for most people. Maybe even nearly everyone.

But for the last 0.1% something else is needed.

But even then it might be better to have personal rail vehicles on private tracks (the same tracks the farm should be using for it's produce.

@Tak Or build stations and tracks where so few people will use them.

Building more tracks for everything would be good, but still not an answer for everything.

A world where we only had trains and push bikes would be nice, but not likely to happen.

@Tak @FireRetardant Yes, when a bus route will result in a larger vehicle with 1 occupant they are bad.

That is a very small % of passenger mileage.

@fine_sandy_bottom @Jiggle_Physics there is a tiny bit of truth to the above conspiracy theory. It is the forces that have fed the "e-bikes are controversial" narrative. But it doesn't need governments involved, just corporate pressure to fight change.

(Arguements about how integrated big companies and governments are clouds the distinction)

@lugal @Zehzin Note the laptop screen also got larger across the depicted time gap.

@EatATaco @Moonrise2473 teens do stupid shit without ebikes. And them using one doesn't increase the danger to non users by much.

Cars and trucks do.

@PowerCrazy @glasgitarrewelt why can't we ban private cars in suburban and urban areas?

(We can't do it tomorrow, but we can work towards it)

@NotMyOldRedditName yes, but that is tangential to my point (and your original point). The total length of wires doesn't tell you if they are power or data.

@NotMyOldRedditName Are power carrying wires the bulk of the wires in a car?

And by power I mean more than 5W where wire gauges start to get serious at 12V. An indicator LED is technically needing power, but not enough that wire gauge bulks up.

@NotMyOldRedditName @Hypx I'm not against it, but I didn't think most of the copper in a modern car / EV was in the LV supply wiring, so such a change would be more in the range of a 10% reduction?

@njordomir But all of it is network effect in action: the incremental value of each piece is related to how many pieces already exist.