Stop emissions. There's a lot of negative effects to society for doing that, but that's the only real answer at this point. It also isn't going to avoid decades of worsening conditions, but there isn't a solution for that. All we can really do is stop continuing the damage we're still doing, even after decades of knowing we were doing it.
Geoengineering will have its own issues that may make things worse in the long run, but the worst effect will be it leveraged as a reason to continue business as usual. That's why I simply said we have to stop emissions. If we can't do that, then there's only one direction we can go (and are going, faster each year).
The carbon tax, along or instead of cap-and-trade, was the conservative alternative to straight-up regulation. "We need a market based approach!" they said, "We need something that's responsive!" they said, "We need something that's cost-neutral!" they said. Regulation was too hard, too strict, too ornerous, too old-school for our modern, fast-moving, market-based world.
"Trust us!" the capitalists said.
And now it's too hard because even a weaksauce carbon tax is too much for their precious profit margins. There's money that someone else is making that is rightfully theirs! It was their idea and now they can't even.
So you know what? You don't like the carbon tax? The we go back to good old-fashioned, ball-busting regulation. Because it fucking works.
So, echoing my response to the other guy saying this, how well did that work for plastics? Everyone knows paper straws are worse and unnecessary, and it just makes them want to go back to the old way, microplastics be damned. It's easy to say "regulate", but when it's as complex a problem as the energy source for our whole technological civilisation there's not a clear way to actually write such a legislation.
The issue with the carbon tax isn't that it doesn't work, it's that it's unpopular.
Yes, fine the shit out of them with penalties that will actually impact or potentially even destroy corporations who choose to continue destroying our planet instead of these tiny bullshit slap on the wrist fines that companies just laugh off
If a company exists at the expense of humanity's survival then it does not deserve to exist.
The difficult part is it's tough to actually measure pollution emitted by an entity accurately and fine accordingly.
You can guess how much CO2 output there is from a refinery, sure, and fine them for it, but they will just raise the prices of end products to compensate for it.
In the end gas goes up the same amount but the less affluent people dependant on it won't get rebates. They're money just goes to the corporations anyways in order to pay for the fines.
how much CO2 output there is from a refinery, sure, and fine them for it, but they will just raise the prices of end products to compensate for it.
If their polluting activities ultimately lead to fewer people buying their products because of that increased cost, maybe that's the financial incentive they need to clean up their act?
Though I don't hold my breath that big corporations are willing (or able) to think beyond next month's profit and instead look a year or 5 into the future sustainability of their enterprise (let alone their negative impacts on the society that they exist in)
but they will just raise the prices of end products to compensate for it.
Not if you slap that bullshit down with regulations: Prevent them from pulling that kind of shit and when they find a way around it (because they will) you put a stop to that shit too.
That's why we elected officials, to come up with ideas. Taxing food is not an idea, it's a cheap shot at the working class. Tax from the top down, beginning with luxury goods, private planes, expensive non essentials. But for fucks sake stop taxing food!!
Yes. 8 out of 10, according to Trudeau. It might be more like 7.
The only mistake they made was not sending out the rebates on paper checks inside a pretty envelope covered in windmills. They would have called it "self-promotion" and "an unnecessary expense", and they would have been right, but apparently we're not good enough to be treated as intelligent adults who can see our own finances.
That's why we elected officials[:] to come up with ideas.
Nope. We elect officials to manage our shared resources in the way we say. We could get them to consult experts and do what they say, but half the time it's a climate-denying bunch of politicians masquerading under an affordability lie mask, and they don't consult for advice they would ignore anyway.
When we did consult experts, the best idea from economists and climate types with a chance of success was ... (drum roll) ... Carbon Tax.
Taxing food is not an idea[:] it's a cheap shot at the working class.
So that's what the "tax nothing and provide nothing" party wants you to believe. Their rich friends get hit a lot with taxes and it's getting hard to avoid them.
Remember that taxing the transport method doesn't tax the cargo except indirectly. The goal is to provide massive opportunities for a better transport option to grow because conveyance isn't firmly linked to cargo: there's options. Evolution takes time, and we're starting Very Late, but the proceeds from the tax is a fast-forward button.
If your politicians are demonizing the carbon tax, despite non-rich people getting far more back on average, find out why they're doing that. There's a rich guy behind it.
Tax from the top down, beginning with luxury goods, private planes, expensive non essentials.
Good ideas, all of them. Add in higher taxes for second homes, any rental income, or just make it any income above 300k/year or some number to firmly hit the rich bitches and not the 99.999% rest of us.
You sound like one of those people that believes in trickle down economics and thinks that taxing a company won't cause them to pass the cost to consumers.
Yes there's been a much better idea for a long time now that lots of smart people are pushing for. Don't tax the co2 emitted when it's burned. Tax is when it comes out of the ground. Put the price there and let it trickle down the supply lines.
Problem is, if we put a tax that represents the damage to our planet caused by CO2 on the carbon that comes out of the ground, all coal mining and oil extraction would cease nearly overnight, since it would no longer be profitable. Which says a lot.
The problem with that is that Canada has international competitors that don't have an extra tax, and our oil is already expensive. Otherwise, I actually think this would work out about the same way. I suppose you could add tariffs to try and simulate it on American shale oil or whatever, but that would piss off trading partners and still be pretty complicated.
Regulate. You know, we have done so for decades. Remember leaded gasoline? No credits involved. New rules instituted, companies adjust, victory.
It's so disingenuous to ask the question, when environmental problems and solutions predate the carbon tax idea by decades, or even centuries, depending how you define things.
That's easy to just say, but what would the regulation be? No more fossil fuels starting tomorrow? Civilisation grinds to a halt, or more likely people just ignore the law. Corporations have to be responsible? They interpret "responsible" as a $5 donation quarterly to panda conservation. You could go through every technology that uses fossil fuels and tighten up efficiencies, but that's slow to start with, and then it turns out it causes a big problem in some niche application. Think about plastic straws and disabled people. It's far better just to add a tax and let it work out in the wash.
We can test your argument by asking what has been done historically, and we can successfully point to dozens of examples of environmental regulation that didn't involve a tax. There can't be any serious debate about the fact that we've done this in the past, and it worked in the past.
You could be right, maybe adding a tax is more effective on average, but I'm apprehensive. When you make the system complex and allow people to trade their credits, you've just created a system that's designed to be abused, and of course it will be.
But opposing the federal carbon tax is also a relatively easy thing to do — particularly when you're not responsible for explaining how Canada will do its part to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions.
Important actions at the provincial level in years past — British Columbia's adoption of a carbon tax in 2008, Quebec's move to a cap-and-trade system in 2013, the phaseout of coal-fired electricity generation in Ontario and Alberta — have helped to stabilize emissions in Canada.
But because climate policy is viewed largely as a federal issue in Canada, provincial politicians can point in Ottawa's direction whenever they want to assign blame or responsibility elsewhere.
But Poilievre has returned the party to its previous position of simply opposing the federal carbon tax — while also rejecting the government's clean fuel regulations.
The Conservative leader has said simply that he would subsidize clean energy and emissions-reducing technology, while making it easier for such projects to get regulatory approval.
The only thing really standing in the way of a fuller debate on climate policy in Canada is political convenience — opposition parties like to withhold their own proposals until an election has been called.
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So, "no" then? Your answer is "no". Being a cranky fuckwad in your non-answer doesn't make it noy a non-answer.
What is your better idea for combating climate change? Because, from what I've seen, critics of the carbon tax are acting in bad faith even if they believe it's ineffectual, because they all choose to ignore the associated rebate, while also refusing to address climate change in any way.
my answer was clearly yes. The Liberals don't even believe in this plan, it only applies in 3 or 4 provinces. As for a plan, mine is not raping people for tax money in a country that isn't the fucking problem anyways.
The carbon pricing plan from the federal level applies to every province. Each province has the option to create whatever program they wish to put a price on carbon, if they don't WANT to create their own program they can choose to use the default carbon rebate program managed by the federal government.
Any province using the carbon rebate program is doing so by choice. And if you don't like it you should be talking to your provincial politicians and encouraging them to setup whatever system you prefer.
You can't blame the federal government because your conservative provincial government is unable to actually solve any of it's own problems (but that seems to be the conservative strategy these days)