You're viewing a single thread.
Why is 'race' relevant here? What the fuck is wrong with Americans and how did they become so astonishingly self flagellating.
That said... this sounds like one of those fantasy scenarios where "then everyone clapped".
Just on the insecure posture of this tweet, I'm prepared to bet cold hard cash that he asked her for clarity or something with a informational challenge "but does x not come from y?" Or whatever and she manufactured his reasoning and the rest to feel good. She doesn't seem to know what et al means either.
They're mentioning the race and gender basically to say "a privileged person". Having privileges obviously influences your character. And race+gender correlate with privileges.
So, while there's no direct causation, and us white males who aren't chumps don't need to be offended, it's often good enough of an explanation why a particular white male might be a chump.
It comes from an assumption that a person behaves that way because he's a white male, and proliferates the assumptions that white males are normally behaving like that.
Should there be a black woman asking the question, this wouldn't be mentioned, even though the act would be the same. As such, this is a vicious cycle of highlighting bad behavior in white males and then saying "look, they are like that" - something that's been done in the past to justify racism and sexism towards black people and females.
Feeemales
Women, if you'd prefer.
lemmy.today
reason: Nuke
what does this mean?
Removing things for their comfort but not having spiritual fortitude enough to cop to why they're removing it. tl;dr revealing how the sausage is made. They've at least got it up enough to casually admit to believing it's possible to be 'racist' against the dominant oppressor; but that def doesn't explain anything else...
I'm also seeing them remove stuff worth removing, and most of my comments are still up, to give credit where it's due
Same kind of "even-handedness" Reddit deployed to get rid of CTH when the outcry against TD got too hot afaic. You're more charitable than me.
I guess I'm in a good mood haha
Any particular issue with the choice of an instance? It's a great and welcoming space! Unlike Hexbear...ahem.
oh now your other comment makes sense, you think "reverse racism" is real and you don't like people calling you out on complete bullshit like "Should there be a black woman asking the question, this wouldn’t be mentioned". fuck you, your performative respectability games, and your shithead nazi kin.
There is no "reverse" racism, there is just racism and it covers both white oppressing black and black oppressing white. Nowhere in the definition of racism a side is taken.
I also urge you to consult the rules list of your instance when it comes to insults and personal attacks, as well as Rule 1 of the community.
racism is race discrimination along a prevailing axis of oppression. so yes, being discriminatory towards white people, in a white supremacist society, is "reverse racism", which is to say "not racism"
Why is ‘race’ relevant here?
Because it's extremely relevant in American culture. Every culture really, we're just somewhat ahead on not lying to ourselves about it.
What the fuck is wrong with Americans and how did they become so astonishingly self flagellating.
Nothing and we're not, you're an irate ignoramus with a chip on your shoulder having an imaginary dick measuring contest because you're super duper sensitive about race.
Just on the insecure posture of this tweet, I’m prepared to bet cold hard cash that he asked her for clarity or something with a informational challenge “but does x not come from y?” Or whatever and she manufactured his reasoning and the rest to feel good. She doesn’t seem to know what et al means either.
He was literally telling her to go read her own work. The "et al" part is very fucking clearly taking the piss, do they not have humor over there in Stuckupistan? Or are your panties always in too much of a twist about basic ass descriptors to have any kind of humor about literally anything?
E: guy's post history is chock full of dogshit-tier takes with a thin veneer of leftism and a big heap of good ol' fashioned xenophobia.
"Because of the sheer scale of the issue and long history of institutionalized racism with lingering consequences, we, Americans, developed more vigilance on the issue, and I think this experience and this point of view should be considered across the globe. I do not appreciate the way you speak of it, and I'd rather have you respect, even if not immediately understand, this position."
-Your comment, with personal attacks taken out.
I ask you to consider the way users express themselves around Lemmy, and keep this place nice and tidy. Personal attacks and flaming are better left to Reddit. What makes the Lemmyverse so amazing is the cooperation of kind strangers, and in the spirit of it, it would be amazing for you not to provoke flaming and aggression.
I'm no admin and no mod, but a kind patriot of the Lemmy space, and I sincerely hope you could listen up to this and be kinder next time, even to the people who aren't perfectly keeping to the good conduct themselves.
boo-hoo someone was mean to the racist troll, and everyone's usually so nice on here! gimme a break
The aggrieved
crybullying is something else istgEveryone usually is nice. Sad to see some people turning this place into a shithole. Guess that's inevitable end of large communities?
The person aggressively pointed out that you may have too much emphasis on the racial aspect, which is clearly demonstrated by the original post. You ended up being too blinded by your immediate need to put some rage on them and consider them nothing but troll.
That's very Reddit my dude. I urge you to educate on holding polite and fruitful conversations, otherwise your entire influence on the communities would be nothing but a shitstorm of uneducated and useless negativity.
Or to speak in your terms, "boo-hoo the crybaby got triggered by a few words and shitted all over the place and now enjoys sitting right there. Maybe we should teach our little boy to wipe his ass? He's gonna make this place untenable otherwise"
I agree that the usage of "white" is irrelevant here. That being said, are you in academics? It is not an unusual situation for people to not be aware of the "face behind the maths" so to speak. Granted, this is not entirely unique to women in science but it is exhaustingly common for women to be questioned more than their peers.
I think questioning this is fine as many people lie but I wouldn't take this to mean this type of situation didn't happen/couldn't happen.
I recognise that, I think it's important to make very clear distinctions with no sweeping statements when prescribing value to demographic groups.
Can you stop making everything about yourself for a single second? Why can't you stop victimising yourself?
This is top some top tier mansplaining here. I detect no sense of irony. Chef’s kiss.
While I perfectly agree with your position on that the "privilege" talk has become a weapon in and of itself, and that a lot of bullshit stories come out of it, I'd love it if you could change the tone of conversation.
Americans are different, and they may have cultural reasons to behaving this way. That's not to say they're right - but seeding anger this way is not gonna magically change their minds.
This is a reasonable request
I'm glad we have a common ground here
Hope it didn't turn out mean on my part - I just want to keep this place nice :)