Which we should see as an excellent radicalization and growth opportunity!
It can be exhausting explaining ourselves again and again, always met with the same accusations and assumptions born from the mythos spun by our enemies.
However, we must remember these people are people, and many people change their minds given enough information, delivered with firm respect. For every belligerent person who appears like they wouldn't change their mind for anything, there are 10 people quietly lurking who are more on-the-fence. Even those who regurgitate insults and contempt may change their mind when the stars align!
These people are not our enemies, they are victims to the greatest campaign of dishonesty in human history! It is our duty to draw out the poison and deliver the medicine!
I know many comrades here have very difficult lives and do not have the patience or energy to deal with such people. Please do not exhaust yourself interacting with liberals, and allow comrades with more energy to deal with them.
Radicalizing online is not the end-all be-all, but at this point in the psychological war for those within the Anglosphere, every victory is invaluable!!!
Quite frankly, the term liberal refers to Democrats and Republicans not Conservatives and Centralists. I'm a Centralist and its sometimes weird when people outright call me a liberal. I don't pay attention it though.
if you're willing to read and learn, people will make space for you here. but if you're not, this place is going to get hostile real fast. lemmygrad and hexbear are leftist instances.
I would recommend actually learning about what you support. You don't seem overtly hostile, but remember you are on the same end of the scale with people who have decided that my ethnic group has no right to exist.
You might say "Those guys are evil! I would never support that!" You don't need to support it directly, anyone who is even complacent is supporting those people.
That's just one out hundreds of possible problems with being a "Centralist". They simply don't exist. You have those fighting oppression, and those oppressing. Being neutral means you have picked your side.
Honestly, it doesn't even fully matter. I could be Jewish, Romani, Slavic, Black. Other then ethnic groups, I could be handicapped, gay, Catholic, elderly, poor, chronically ill, and so on.
It doesn't matter, because all those groups and many more deserve extermination, slavery, to be experimented on, starvation, and death.
I hope you understand the point I am trying to make. But my personal ethnic group is Slavic. We were labelled as little better then rats, abominations, and racially unfit to exist as a people. We needed to be exterminated so that our land could be taken and used properly for expanding the Aryan race in "General Plan Ost". We were an disease, not people to them.
There are only those who support the oppressed, and those that support the oppressor. You cannot be both. Make your choice.
Well, um...the Bolshevik Revolution on the other hand....thats kinda....another matter.....idk...i'm not quite right...not quite democrat or republican, so i tend to stay at the border of things..
Well, um...the Bolshevik Revolution on the other hand....thats kinda....another matter
you should read about it before you write it off. if you've never heard the story, October by China Mieville is very easy to read and will show you what people were thinking and feeling as it happens. as for what came next, I recommend Blackshirts and Reds by Parenti.
what do you mean you stay at the border of things something is either right or it isn't why are you just believing what you think is the middle of other people's beliefs
it's also non-ethnic groups. there's a genocide of my people (trans) underway across much of the US and the centrist position is that it's good because we're all pedophiles. it's even seeping into the progressive wings of the democratic party.
Ah I see. Well, to me, I tend to stay neutral when I am confused about something or if I'm used to something. Western influcened things are just so common. I hope you can understand that its hard for me, an American born and raised teenager to understand this whole rack of new information that goes against everything I've ever known.
Liberal = supporter of capitalism. I suggest reading lots and lots on liberal and especially marxist theory, I used to be a centrist like you, because I only trusted what was trusted by liberal media, because ofc I wantdd to be correct, and it took years to realize they were lying and acting in bad faith. I was also hardcore falling for the golden mean fallacy
No one has suggested any readings yet (being a marxist is 50% reading and learning 50% trying to organize), so I'm recommending On Authority by Engels (this is a page long but very necessary, I highly suggest reading this future comrade!) After that dive in to State and Revolution by Lenin or Kapital by Marx, depending on how skeptical you are on supporting capitalism
We all did. It's just what happens when we're raised in a system that teaches us that it is the "best" system to ever exist. It's always important to keep learning, and challenging our preconceived notions about the world.
Yeah. However, I do sometimes wonder what went wrong to bring me here. About what exactly led me to be curious about ideas that I've been taught to dislike.
For me it was how as a child i saw everyone suddenly turn into murder robots about Iraq, and then just act like they didn't, and I never felt at ease after that.
Just sounds like regular self-reflection to me. Always a good idea to challenge ourselves. Life is empty and meaningless if you never consider anything new or challenge yourself.
To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.
To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type.
To let things drift if they do not affect one personally; to say as little as possible while knowing perfectly well what is wrong, to be worldly wise and play safe and seek only to avoid blame. This is a third type.
Not to obey orders but to give pride of place to one's own opinions. To demand special consideration from the organization but to reject its discipline. This is a fourth type.
.To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.
To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.
To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.
To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.
To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along--"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type.
To regard oneself as having rendered great service to the revolution, to pride oneself on being a veteran, to disdain minor assignments while being quite unequal to major tasks, to be slipshod in work and slack in study. This is a tenth type.
I was where you are, probably worse, but you should do some reflection on what you now know to have been instilled in you purposefully by the system which raised you
conservative means opposed to change. It's more like a flavour you can have on any political ideology for example conservatives in the later years of the soviet union who opposed opening up to the west