Microsoft won't update your Windows 11 PC if it has these apps

So, wait, Mocrosoft is finally giving us a way to fully-disable automatic Windows Updates?
/s
- That's how I read it!
- Mocrosoft
  Do you speak Russian? Cause the first part sounds like "wet" with o and the second as if related to sticking something somewhere.
  
  Or the more simple explanation: o is right next to i on most keyboards.

Full list from this comment on another thread: https://lemmy.ca/comment/8470544
ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM)
EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application)
ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2
iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2
RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2
StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2
Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft)
MergeSdb (Microsoft)
Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel)
Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys)
Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)
- They won't give you updates if you have radeon software or intel config tool?
  
  The article says it's only a specific Win7 version of VLC that's blocked, so maybe that's the case with these also.
  
  Or software made by Microsoft themselves!
- Will it stop asking me to upgrade every month if I have one of these installed? I might need to get one just for that.
- Hmm, interesting, do these all have explorer integrations? I know even a couple year's old SolidWorks PDM does not work with Windows 11 because of the way it integrates with Windows explorer. a couple of the other apps there modify/integrate into explorer as well.
- Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter
  Wow, how did they break that? Signing issue maybe?

This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We're not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps.
That's mildly distopian.
This prevents your car from shutting itself off when trying visit certain areas on the map. We're not sure if car manufacturers have fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep going to your favorite places.
And only a little tiny bit adversarial.
- This is what ive been saying about windows vs Linux for years.
  Linux isnt necessarily easy, but its collaborative and everybody's on the same side.
  Windows is PvP, and now I'm seeing fucking Hangul characters in chat, and I'm afraid. I don't even use it anymore.
  
  Hangul characters in chat
  You're afraid of Korean speakers?

Wouldn't it be nice if you could just keep using Windows 10 forever, and get security updates for free?
- 7 was better lol
- For reference: Debian 6 which was the current release of Debian at the time Windows 10 was released hasn't received official security patches 2016, CentOS 6.6 stopped receiving them 2022. Mac OS X Yosemite latest update was released 2017...
  
  Yeah and? Debian is free, you can just upgrade to the newer version without paying a thing.
  
  Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015, Debian 8 was released on 26 April 2015, 3 months earlier. And you are comparing it with Debian 6, released 4 years earlier? Debian 8 extended long term support reaches end-of-life 30 June 2025.
  
  It's comparing apples to oranges, that said, the current version of Debian is much closer to the UX of Debian 6 than windows 11 is to windows 10
  If the point of windows is you're paying for an operating system and should then have better support than a free alternative, they should be able to push security updates, especially if they're already committed to ensuring old windows app can still run inside new windows
  
  windows 10 was meant to be the last version of windows, its a bit disingenuous to compare the two that way
  
  the cool thing about debian though, you can just reinstall that shit. Or if you like flying close to the sun. Just change your apt sources. And hope nothing explodes.

Install Linux and be done with this nonsense

I was already dubious about upgrading from 10 to 11 and this is final straw. I will have to look at Linux options and see if my Windows-only programs will run effectively under WINE.
- Check out alternativeto.net
  
  Thanks, will do!
- I'm fucking out. I do a lot of basic IT work, including many fresh installs and new domain users, and I am so godamn sick of having to go through 5 dialogues every single time I open edge. For the local account. Then the domain admin account. Then the domain user account. Fuck this company.
  As soon as I can afford to get an AMD GPU or do a swap with someone for my 1070, I'm gone. I used to love computers, but dealing with windows even on a home PC with no "problems", it just feels like more work.
  
  You can disable or streamline that stuff with either group policy or registry keys.
  I used to do the same work (several years ago) and I started researching fixes and writing scripts to speed up my work.
  Make a to do list of what your computer setup process is. Figure out the earliest you can launch a script (netshare or usb). Then start writing scripts for your tasks.
  Installing apps, file transfers and system configs.
  
  You can do it with an Nvidia GPU too, you don't have to switch cards. I'm not sure where this idea comes from, that Nvidia doesn't work on Linux, 50-60% of users are on Nvidia according to Steam.
  
  Worth considering holding onto the Nvidia card to do a vfio windows VM as a fallback for stuff that doesn't run well through wine/proton. It wasn't too hard to setup and its nice to just toss all the games with kernel anticheat/adobe shit into.
  
  Pop!OS has pretty good nvidia support. Try a dual boot.
  
  oh for what it's worth. I've been using my 1070 under arch with nvidia drivers for years now. It's problematic sometimes, and configuration is a mess. But it generally works perfectly fine.
  It'll work more than well enough just to test the waters in linux though.
  although, to be clear, i am still on X, i hear it's worse on wayland. But I'd say X is worthwhile if you're savvy enough. It's an interesting piece of software history. (and it rarely updates)
- If they're games, protondb (.com) will tell you how well you can expect them to run. Other stuff, it's often a case of search the web or try and see. Wine takes some getting used to, you'll probably have to get your hands dirty and do a little learning.
  
  Good to know. I don't play many games, but do have some older ones from GoG that would be nice to keep.
- I'm sure you're aware of it already, but WineHQ provides a good overview over which software runs well under WINE. :)
- In the article all apps mentioned are very old versions. I just don't understand, how exactly this was a final straw for you?
  
  Because clickbait headlines are surprisingly effective.
  
  Because they shouldn't be doing this at all. The versions of the apps in question, and even which specific apps, are complete irrelevant.
  
  Because I haven't yet updated from Windows 10 to 11 and had been putting it off. In the past week, though, I have seen a number of news articles highlighting issues I am going to have with Windows 11 and this particular article, indicating that they have been effectively leaving systems vulnerable simply because they have applications they don't like installed is just not good enough. I'd understand it if they were saying "we can't guarantee your OS stability with these apps" or "we can't guarantee these apps will work anymore" if they were removing older API support, but this is ridiculous.
- you should also have a look at alternatives as well.
  Especially if you do any kind of productivity work. Like video editing or photo editing. Photoshop and premiere are just absolute garbage, even if it requires you relearning an interface, not being pestered with creative cloud is a massive advantage.
  Oh and not having to pay for colors. That one is also pretty funny.
  
  Turns out one of the video-editing programs I use (VideoRedo) has shut down anyway (I think the owner passed away) and so I'll need to look for an alternative anyway - I don't think I can activate it on new machines anymore.

Wow, imagine using a corporate owned operating system.
Laughs in Ubuntu

Imagine not being able to upgrade your Linux because you have modified YOUR system to suit YOUR needs. Fuck them...
- I mean, if you've done something affecting upgrade paths - possible.
  Also I broke a FreeBSD ufs partition once while upgrading OpenBSD. I thought I'm very smart having that added into disklabel, and it would successfully mount read-only. Well, there were some actions to upgrade OpenBSD's own ufs partitions, so - I don't really remember whether I could restore any data, TBF. I think I could still mount that read-only from OpenBSD, but not from FreeBSD.
  But that's about things being really broken.
  
  I broke Arch when they switched to Systemd (the process that launches all other processes), and that's because I was an idiot and partially applied the fixes without rebooting, so things got borked. I could've fixed it, but reinstalling was faster (like 30 min, and I kept my files; fixing could've taken a couple hours).
  Other than that, I've had a couple drivers get misconfigured or something when upgrading Ubuntu or Fedora (I've had wifi and sound fixes not apply to an upgraded version), but I've never had an upgrade actually fail, and fixing it usually only took an hour or so to find someone online who has already provided the config options needed.
  So yeah, I've had nothing like this on Linux in the 15 or so years I've used it, everything so far has been fixable with relatively minimal effort. Then again, I don't use any fancy licensed software, so I haven't needed to pull an old version of something along across multiple releases (almost got a Scrivener license, which no longer supports Linux).
- But if those modifications were known to cause the system to brick after you update, wouldn't it be really nice if it stopped you from doing it?
  And not just "yeah we know having done x will cause a bootloop after update, if you don't know to uninstall/fix it it first, too bad."
  
  Linux devs would just make a patch to work with that configuration as it'd be considered a bug.
  
  idk maybe if you can detec the specific issue, you should maybe like, tell the user.

Why?
- I assume because said apps and drivers break if the OS is updated.
  
  That's what I assumed but why would an is update break WO many things are they deprecating parts of the windows kernel?
- That kind of attack is not possible with a signed kernel module/driver.
  How is using a compromised userspace library not possible with a signed kernel module?
  That aside, if the events would unfold similarly, the software requiring to be signed would be, in fact, signed.
  An awfully stupid comment TBF. As if you desperately tried to defend MS. EDIT: Sorry, that was just my irritation.

Glad they have time to call out everyone else’s problems, yet Microsoft still can’t fix their broken jan win 10 update.
- Is that the one where MS updated the recovery partition by including a file that's too big for that default partition? I had to manually resize my recovery partition to fix that issue
  
  Yes. Normally, the OS "fixes" this by making a second, bigger recovery partition, but that only works if you have the space for it.
- don't worry, microsoft never figured out how to write bootloader installation software.
  It can not only, install itself onto a slower, hdd, but also completely wipe any additional drives you have hooked up at the time of installation.
  The fact that this STILL isn't fixed is baffling to me.
  
  Is this still an issue with UEFI nowadays? The other bootloader should still be selectable in the bootmenu if it wasn't overwritten.

What apps and links please? Just so I know what not to download.
::: (Yes I know its in the article...) :::
- ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM) EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application) ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2 iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2 RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2 StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2 Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft) MergeSdb (Microsoft) Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel) Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys) Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)
  
  Huh, I didnt expect to see Intel or Realtek stuff in there.
  The iCloud one is funny and oddly specific. Its like a "fuck you for using both Apple and Facebook crap"

Excuse me what
- It looks like they break Microsoft's update mechanism somehow, and Microsoft won't work around it. If it's because they'd have to make special cases just for one app I get it, but it doesn't seem like that's what's happening.
  
  they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow
  Microsoft’s update mechanism breaks Microsoft’s update mechanism.
  
  Hmm... I'll have to look for these applications. Some of them seem ubiquitous.
  
  Large companies do not shy away from making workaround for specific apps. Every large platform that I know of has some form of app specific workarounds to fix problems with popular apps. Graphics drivers, browsers, iOS, Android. I haven’t heard any stories about windows but given their commitment to backwards compatibility, they must have

Well, I have two of those. I guess I'll just go fuck myself than, huh?
- DeskModder noted that it wasn't as simple as blocking an app based entirely on its name; for example, while VLC is listed in the big list of services and apps that are disallowed, it's specifically listing a Windows 7 version of VLC.
  Sounds like Windows has a problem with really old versions only. I guess you should be fine as long as you keep your apps relatively fresh.
  
  People don't read articles and you are asking them to keep their apps fresh? Just let them fuck themselves

Havent updated my v10 for 3+ years and dont plan to

I feel bad for Windows users, they just can't catch a break can they?
- It was already bad enough that we're stuck trying to use a trash OS to run our games and soul-sucking corporate crap, but now we have to ditch our customization tools to get updates that we need?
  Thank goodness I mostly just use Linux.
  
  If only others had access to Linux, I really feel bad for them. :)

Can't you disable SmartSense or whatever bullshit there is that scans ~~apps~~ programs when they're installed?
- Probably but they certainly don't want you to know that and almost certainly will say that you can't.

I do have 3 of it 😁

WUMT was good to me.

Why are people still using Windows? Seems to me that the pain to use it is still not big enough. I welcome every move that increases the pain and drives people to better options.
- My job includes programming devices from manufacturers that only write their software for Windows. There are entire industries that are blind to anything but Windows due to lock-in from one or more manufacturers of devices needed for daily operations.
  Some consumer products are similarly locked-in due to supporting software. There may be alternatives for common tools, but device-specific things simply won't work on Linux, 90% of the time. Sure, we can request the manufacturer support Linux in some way, but good luck getting any response let alone a working port.
  Edit: Yes, it may be becoming more painful to use Windows, but until it's less painful to take the Linux path for viable alternatives, nothing will change.
  
  The Linux or macos path, if there is one is always less painful.
  If there isn't one, if the a manufacturer doesn't support other os' then you should demand this support from them. They will only listen to money. So take your money to an alternative or offer money for the support.
  The point is that it's not Linux' fault that program x is not natively supported on Linux. It's the programs fault and partly yours/your employers for choosing it.
- Because Revit and OpenRoads designer doesn't work on Linux. And neither of my RMMs work for Linux.
  
  As I tell everyone who comes up with this kind of takes. This is not Linux's fault or responsibility. This is the specific app developer's fault.
  No one screams at Google because iMessage doesn't run on Android, that would be madness. For every software package or app that doesn't run on Linux, there's usually several dozen alternatives that do. If you don't like them and want to stick with the ones you like and also try to use Linux? the move is to call out the app developers. Tell them that you want Linux support, a Linux build and to please work on that.
  There's zero, absolutely nothing, nothing at all, that the developers of a OS kernel, or the maintainers of a distribution can do to force other's app to support the OS they work on.
  The most we can do is offer compatibility layers like Wine that can run some Windows only software. And they can go pretty far, like Proton, which can run most games. But still there's only so much these can do. The tooling, build libraries, compilation chain, everything that exist to make an app for Windows has its counterparts for Linux. It usually only takes a couple of afternoons tinkering with config files to get a project to compile for Linux. With almost no change to the code base itself. The community usually does the bulk of the distribution part, making Flatpaks, or setting up the package for the repositories. Even then, making a RPM or DEB file is also a no-brainer. So, if your favorite app doesn't exist in Linux, it is because the developer either made the conscious decision of not supporting, or no one has ever told them that they want one, so they haven't considered it. Sometimes they deliberately make their app impossible to function on Linux, it happens, they have explicit code in their software that detects things like Wine to sabotage the OS.
  The move is to write to your favorite app's developers, complaining on social media does nothing, we literally can't do anything for you.
  
  Autodesk-Revit-for-Linux