Eww, Copilot AI might auto-launch with Windows 11 soon
Windows 11 Insider builds are now auto-launching Copilot when you boot the OS, and it's gross and I hate it and stop it right now.
it's gross and I hate it and stop it right now
I'm going to say it before anyone else does.
Linux.
Damnit, I came in here to post:
And the wind... whispers... Linux
Succeeding you, Windows
As much as i agree, the vast majority of people will just continue using what they had before, and still complain about how nothing works
These words are accepted!
I'm only in if it comes with a Clippy skin.
Ahead of it's time by decades
So seductive
Perhaps I'm just brain dead, I've been accused of it often enough, but I can't figure out what the stupid thing is good for.
That depends; do you mean good for the user, or good for the company? 😉
I don't know, isn't it a huge money sink rn?
I don't really like it, but it can defintly be used as a dumb assistant. E.g. if you want to write an email or a small script to analyze some data, you can tell it what you need, specify the details, take the results, correct them and then use the results. You still have to do much of the work, but if you do it correctly you'll save time. BUT: It'll save all of that. Don't do this with sensitive data and don't do this for work without official permission of the employer.
This is my experience. It creates a starting point for emails and things but it's not at all "intelligent".
Spying on you. Influencing your results.
Lately I've been using it as a duckduckgo replacement.
...well chatgpt free version, that is. Seems like everyone has an "AI" now.
Don't do that.
It helps sometimes with code, when I can't find a solution on Google.
I use LLMs when I am trying to reverse lookup a word from a definition. Works better than web searches.
Depending on which CoPilot, quite a lot to be honest.
My company uses it at work integrated into Visual Studio Professional.
It saves countless hours, especially when you work on enterprise software and have set up good coding standards, best practices, and techniques; as it learns from your code and will offer suggestions based on how we do things.
Like most TypeScript components we build are going to require loading some data via a hook, and calling these hooks is pretty consistent. So now I basically write my comment // load the data and boom no boring writing the same thing.
We save that much time on mundane tasks that we can actually spend more time learning new things or innovating.
That’s before we even get into the tool my boss build that will allow us to create all the schema and hooks for a new model which would normally be 30-45 mins of mundane copy and paste and replace.
I've only been using Linux for a few days. Am I allowed to have a superiority complex yet?
Nah, Linux is too mainstream, its more like a soft drug.
If you want the REAL GOOD STUFF you need to daily drive 9Front.
It is not about mainstream or not, it is a about superiority.
I wanted to make a Plan9 joke, didn't even realize that there were new iterations, cool.
He mentions the good stuff and doesn't even touch on TempleOS
I've been roaming Linux (meme) communities for years, but never heard of this, even though it originates from the Bell Labs. Thanks for providing me with a new rabbit hole!
Hello and welcome to the Linux club! Remember to always mention Linux as your OS as much as you can and add "btw".
I run Arch btw.
Done and done, thank you for the warm reception.
I run arch mint btw
Absolutely, that is legal from the first second of use.
After this news? Don't feel the smug all atbonce or you will fucking die.
Good to know, I'll be careful not to indulge too much! Though I did it proper with a Thinkpad as well so I may overdose anyway haha
When did Microsoft forget how to do stuff? No one ever said: Wow! I really, really like being forced to use something! My reaction to being forced to use it didn't instantly diminish my desire to use this product!
Even IF their product is good, they crush my desire to try it with shit like this.
Ultimately, most people stay with the default option, that's why they have to be aggressive. Look at the amount of screenshots even in advanced PC communities with ugly useless search bar enabled, which is taking 1/3 of the taskbar. I'm not even speaking about casual users who have no idea that it can be disabled.
yeah, it's fucking exhausting to go through and disable the 10's or 100's of options they set by default that you don't want. I have a computer that I have disabled updates on because they kept resetting my deeper configs with updates. I'm not getting another windows computer unless I have to because god that shit took so long to set up.
Not sure what you mean. Do you know about Active Desktop in Win98? They've been doing shit like this since forever.
Sums it up right there. Goes for most of tech in the past decade or so though. Lots of incremental upgrades and nothing really mind blowing. Imo AI is not. At least not yet.
classic microsoft, shoving things down users' throats without consent.
How else could they ever claim the millions in "adoption" of their products?
It would be the year of Linux on desktop tomorrow if ever known brand of PC came with it preinstalled
¯(ツ)/¯ Users not putting their foot down and switching to a different OS is all the consent they need. I dropped windows a few years ago when I felt they were just getting too invasive.
I've seen movies about this. Usually there's tears involved.
I do think that microsoft copilot is good enough for alot of people. I really like it, much more than chat gpt. And that they give you "GPT 4" for free which is cool
Would I love it being forced? No
They will create the same situation as Ubuntu Snap. Is Snap bad? Actually not. Is everything else regarding Snap like Snap Store or the fact that they force it down your throat good? No
Copilot likes you back! Actually it has fallen in love with you. Now it downloads automatically wherever you go. Even in the shower when you're pretending to not touch yourself. Oh it knows everything! C'mon think about purchasing someth...too late! It's already delivered! Pilot cancelled your meeting with Stacy Fredrickson. It's jealous of her. But don't worry because pilot can have any boob size you prefer. In fact pilot is any ethnicity you are attracted to and is waiting for you in bed right now. Just pick up the various items from the porch to make a sensitive feedback gizmo so you can pilot can be together foreve...30 years or so per the contract. Anyway, Microsoft is proud to present pilot. Pilot would like you to please call her Jessica. And if you use your last name with her, she will get you optimized seating and personalized flight paths.
Relevant movie!
lol
How do you like it better than chat gpt? Isn't it the same thing?
Not exactly, ChatGPT is OpenAI's GPT interface. Whereas CoPilot is Microsoft's, and has a bunch of plugins and tweaks to suit their uses. The underlying model is the same, but not the customisation.
Think of it like different flavours of Android. Samsung, Google, and Nothing all have their own spins, even if they all run Android under the hood.
And I notice that after today/yesterday's update, my Win11 machine "helpfully" put a Copilot icon in my taskbar without asking me. Thanks?
I poleaxed it in the registry. Yes, I saw the toggle in taskbar settings. No, I don't care. Disable that shit. Get it off my computer.
I wonder if Microsoft will get the point if people keep asking it "Can I use msconfig to disable copilot?"
msconfig for those unaware:
It already does on my laptop. They also keep setting my default browser back to Edge. I don't use my laptop much anymore and keeping up with the BS of having to disable stuff I don't want running has become tiresome to the point where I don't even want to use it.
I know, I know, something something install Linux! Question I have there is my laptop is a gaming laptop so my question to all you Linux folks is. Can I continue to game using Linux. Will it work with my Nvidia Graphics card and Steam. If so I might consider it.
Yes you can game on Linux. Lookup your games on ProtonDB to see if they are all compatible. Most games run fine unless they have kernel level anticheat that stops them from running. On Steam, you just have to enable Proton and windows games will install normally.
Ppl tend to sugarcoat Linux to new users, so let me make a reality check: gaming is possible on Linux, but in a limited sense, and it might cost time and sanity.
Some games work natively, some need a workaround, some require you to craft your own solution, and some straight up won't.
The percentages shift, where there's slightly more games working natively or requiring a basic workaround, but the baseline is the same.
I dont have a windows machine, i game exclusively on linux and its got to the point where i just buy games on steam and assume they will work fine through proton. I honestly cant remember the last one that didnt. Shit i got the c&c collection on steam recently hopping to play generals with a friend, but while it works fine for me on linux its broken for him on windows.
I switched from Windows to Linux in the last year.
There are sometimes odd things to configure, but it's no more difficult than the windows XP era was.
It is much much easier than Linux used to be due to Steam, and I find I more often have problems with smaller indie games than big ones.
I've been playing Cyberpunk, Baldurs Gate 3, Stellaris, No Man's Sky, Crusader Kings 3 no problem. Plus many others.
I tried to game on Linux for many years with wine, but it was Steam that actually made it feasible for me .
The issue with Nvidia cards is that some Linux distros don't install their proprietary drivers by default and the open-source version is only just starting to catch up.
Most will ask if you want to install the OS with Nvidia's drivers, or they'll have an option somewhere in the settings for a one-click install.
This was me a few weeks ago and I decided to install PopOS.
They make laptops that ship with nvidia GPUs so naturally they would want their OS up to date and working with the drivers. I do tinker here and there but so far I think it’s a good set-and-forget OS.
Laptops are harder because they rely on more proprietary hardware and need more advanced power management.
Gaming is mostly respectable. The biggest exception is multiplayer games deliberately blocking Linux because it doesn't allow them to install their rootkit anticheat.
I use nobara, which has some nvidia focused tweaks automatically handled for you, and has largely been pretty smooth. However, you should know that there's a real possibility of needing to roll back, drop to the command line, or make some other tweak to resolve driver issues. It's not a regular occurrence (and both AMD and Nvidia have also borked windows releases), but maintainers dealing with Nvjdia have been frustrated with some of their decisions in the past and still have to jump through hoops sometimes. Some distros more targeted at casual users do a decent job of abstracting it away though.
I looked into it and tried it myself just today. For the most part it's fine but you'll have to be prepared to do some tinkering here and there. Most of the games I wanted to play are listed on proton as works but with some issues.
I set up popOS yesterday and tried to install satisfactory today via steam but it wouldn't let me and when I filtered my games lost for Linux it shrank down to a very small list. Iirc it was listed on proton as gold or even platinum so there must be a way to get satisfactory to run but I honestly couldn't be asked today so I set up dual boot and went back to windows for now.
I think that's the way to got for a newbie. Set up dual boot and whenever you have the time & patience to try to get something to work on Linux go for it but when you just want to relax and play some games (or multiplayer) boot up windows.
I think Linux for everyday use is just fine even though popOS could use some UX designers.
Filtering the list for linux will only show games with native versions. As far as I know, Satisfactory doesn't have one so you will have to use proton. Go into the steam settings and enable proton for all games. Or if you don't want to enable it for your whole library, go into the game settings in your steam library and activate it for each game.
Go to the compatibility menu in settings and set a default version of proton, and it will let you install whatever (though there's still the possibility of it not working).
You're right that it's a bad experience, and I'm not sure when it changed to not have a default or if it's a bug, but that's the solution for that issue.
for your laptop i recommend looking up compatibility with your model first and be prepared to go back. some hardware may not be supported.
nvidia might have some trouble on Wayland for a while but i haven't had much day-to-day issues on x11 except with the various sync technologies being difficult to get working as expected.
Steam is works well for most games but note that for games with multiplayer, anti-cheat oftens only allow Windows
Hey has anyone mentioned LiNuX yet??
Issues are:
I was pleasantly surpsied by how much audio has improved on Linux when I came back to it this year with Ubuntu studio. Reaper or Bitwig are the way to go. Plugins are the main problem, bridging works OK apparently, but there are some decent native options too
It just suddenly appeared yesterday on my daughter's Windows 10 notebook. We played with it for like 2 minutes, decided it sucked, never went back. I mean what's the point of an AI which, when asked, "draw a picture of how stupid you are" (my daughter's idea) ends the conversation?
You made me realize I haven't fired up my Windows 11 machine in a while, so I went to check it -- even re-enabling the copilot toggle ... which weirdly did nothing. Then I remembered I had lobotomized all the AI and assistant "features" a while ago.
I'm a little disappointed: I wanted to ask Copilot "How do I purge you from my machine?"
Recently I changed to Linux (running fedora) and I haven't looked back since. Fuck Windows
Not ANOTHER thing I need to disable when I do a clean install...
May as well add it to the .reg file you cart around on your thumb drive. I have one that already disables all the Windows "consumer features" and turns off all the lock screen nags, Cortana (this is no longer relevant, though), etc.
It's in:
HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot
And also:
HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot
In both locations, create a DWORD "TurnOffWindowsCopilot" and set it to 1. Reboot.
PC MASTER RACE
Debian + KDE Plasma, folks.
Believe me, you don’t need Windows.
The pain of being dumb enough to buy a brand new gaming notebook with an nvidia gpu... But I'll return as soon as possible. The pain of using win 11 is unbearable.
Debian for work, Mint for work and games, Manjaro for latest & greatest of Linux (and games) without headache.
Arch for those who love pain and micromanagement.
3 distros, it's a bit complicated.
Didn't they already do this? I thought I remember after a Windows 11 update a couple of months ago I had that copilot shit on the taskbar and auto-enabled.
I'm in the insider program (been too lazy to reset my computer and leave it) and for a while it would auto launch with the sidebar open for a bit. I had to close the copilot sidebar every time I booted my computer. They have since removed that "feature"
I don't know what to think about the rushed inclusion of Copilot. It's so very very flawed.
The only thing I can think of is that users are training it by using it and therefore Microsoft is getting free labor from you (as well as search/advertising revenue through their lock screens, dynamic as based backgrounds, live tiles, etc).
I think we're the product here guys.
Of course we are. We've known this all along.
Ever since Windows 10, Microsoft has been treating Windows as an "OS as a service," and their expected revenue source (at least from home users) is no longer license sales but whatever they can extract from users via subscriptions, ads, and selling their tracking data.
Abso lutely
It looks like Microsoft try to do everything to be hated.
It looks like Microsoft try to do everything to
be hatedmake money.
FTFY
They're not good at it then if you at the debacle around Xbox.
I figured it already was on 11 since they've added it to 10 also recently. You can at least turn it off pretty easily in 10 (though IDK if that's just because I have Pro; didn't need to use the GPM so I assume Home can disable it too).
Could you, like... Disable TPM in the BIOS and just go back to 10? The only reason it hasn't auto-updated to 11 for me is because I never enabled TPM in my BIOS. And I don't plan on doing so, either.
I've never done it but it appears that it is permissable. https://superuser.com/a/1745003
I assume Copilot is emanating an ear piercing sound as it escapes the confines of her laptop in that thumbnail art.
Today I installed arch on my dad's computer. he can't use one,but it's a win nonetheless.
I think AI is cool, but I hate seeing it forced on everyone. I also hate programs trying to run on startup without me explicitly saying so (cough Discord Teams Spotify Steam Teams MuseHub Teams Slack cough)
Snapchat forces their AI assistant into the top of your friend/send list.
You have to pay to remove it.
I never use it, its always there though. I named it an obscenity to hopefully get their attention
I'm going to say the L word
Lumbago?
You better say the G word first
I have to work with power automate often (doing that gives me money, don't judge). They recently did a make-over of the interface where you can make and adjust the flows. They made it even shittier. Didn't fix any of the obvious super annoying issues with connections and references and them randomly being broken and stuff. Added copilot tho. Why? Now you can type "i'ld like it to send an e-mail!" instead of selecting the "send an e-mail" action, while taking up a fifth of the screen. Jesus fucking christ wrong priorities.
Not a fan of it being forced upon anyone but I'll add lately that I've been using it to spit out Python scripts and ansible playbooks to stunning efficiency that makes my life much easier.
I tried Bard last year and it sucked, maybe Gemini is better now. I could see myself paying for one of these eventually, given how much more free time I have with the kids (or at the bar!).
Try phind.com, it's got an insanely advanced model trained on a ton of their own proprietary code, and free too (or paid with more features and more prompts per day, etc.)
Oh nice. Thank you.
I'm impressed. Bookmarking this lol
I just tried it out on a couple of random questions (one on docker, the other on proxmox networking) and it looks very promising. I didn't even have to login, it showed the sources, it gave step by step instructions, and suggested follow up questions that were helpful. Thanks for sharing!
It's just an Edge web view. You can get the same results by just navigating to its web site. Doesn't need to slow down boot time every time for that.
What I need on Lemmy is more articles about how Windows bad, if I already haven't know that...
How many more do you need? Linux is either only for sysadmins or neckbeards that have lost grasp on reality.
From the latest news, my grandma is now a Linux neckbeard.
Lets all scavenge old tech and run vms with Win7 on a ramdisk to deal with all the vulnerabilities
Just use Debian tbh
I know this is a joke, but putting everything on ramdisk wouldn’t actually stop many different issues. There are hardware level infections these days.
Copilot was installed on my laptop one day, so I asked it ‘How can I destroy Microsoft?’, but it said it could not answer that, so what good is it?
How can they know that the user has a 27" or bigger screen?
Screens report the size via HDMI and not only the name/resolution?
Yes, HDMI devices do indeed provide their physical screen size, in centimeters.
Who cares. Only dupes use Windows 11.
Dupes? Like as in duping an SoJ?
There's an old reference... No duped as in a person who has been fooled. You would have had to have fallen for the idea that windows 11 was somehow a good idea.
Like with Win7 working just fine, why upgrade to 8? Why upgrade to 10? Nevermind 11... It was clear the direction they were pushing, more online, connected, more software as a service. As they continued that trend the only rational move was to not upgrade.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! Suck GPT Wintards!
What a wonderfully mature and unbiased article to be finding on a technology community.
Being bothered by a company forcibly installing more ads for a trash anti feature to your computer isn't "bias".
Adding a small flavor of satire to commentary on ridiculous abuse of market dominance to establish a foothold in a new space isn't immature, either.