Systemd Looks to Replace sudo with run0

i'm fine with this nor do i have a problem with systemd in genereal

The article talks about sudo and doas being SUID binaries and having a larger attack surface than run0 would. Could someone ELI5 what this means?

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SystemD looks to replace Linux kernel with kern0

Sounds reasonable. But I don't like the 0 in the name.

This is fine, but why does everything need to be part of Systemd? Like, seriously, why can't this just be an independent project? Why must everything be tied into this one knot of interdependent programs, and what's going to happen to all of them when the people who are passionate about it and actually understand all the stupid ways they interrelate move on with their lives? Are we looking at the formation of the next Xorg? Will everybody being scrambling to undo all of this in another 20 years when we all realize it's become an unmaintainable mess?

I personally don't have a problem with run0 over sudo, however, I don't want to have to remember to use a different command on the terminal. Just rename it "sudo", and do the new stuff with it. Just don't bother me having to remember new commands.

Me: Oh, I get it, this "Lemmy" website -- it's like The Onion but for nerds?

My fellow lemmings: No, they're serious. run0 is real.

Me: Hah. The Onion, but for nerds! I love it.

Sounds good. It's a win win. People that doesn't like the system d implementation can use doas or keep sudo. I Hate the name though. Run0 is dumb can't they just steal the name doas

Will this be an integral part of systemd, or will they release it as a separate thing? I mean, if I like it, but I'm not using systemd (I do use it, but I'm just thinking about it), could I use this run0 (horrible name) without having to buy into all of systemd?

Lol. Right after Microsoft added sudo to windows.

Anyway i prefer doas btw

I really don't care about the command I use to get elevated privileges. On my Debian servers I use su and maybe in future, if Fedora decides to make the switch, I will use run0.

This just sounds like a bad idea, a solution in search of a problem. Sure, sudo is a setuid binary, but it's a fairly simple program, and at some point, you have to trust the code. It's also a very fundamental piece of the system that you want to always work, even (especially!) when other things get borked. The brief description of run0 already has too many potential points of failure.

Not-invented-here

I'm not systemd user, and I generally see this absorbing as much as possible as a terrible practice. I don't usually comment on systemd stuff, since I'm happy just not being forced to use it.

However, even though I don't use it, the decision of people managing systemd really affects non systemd users. See by succeeding in getting all major distros into become systemd distros (somehow now governed by RH, if anyone cares), everything systemd absorbs tend to leave alternatives sooner or later deprecated, or abandoned.

Even autofs is no longer part of some official repos, given systemd has its own auto mount/unmount functionality... And there are several other examples...

At any rate, hopefully the more bloated systemd, doesn't make it the more vulnerable. And also hopefully, doesn't make life worse and worse to non systemd distros and users...

BTW, before sudo there was su, so a life without sudo is possible, :)

Never had an issue.

Might look for a replacement should an issue arise.

Been driving Linux since sarge.

Fuck off Poettering. Stop trying to absorb the whole system.

EDIT: apparently systemd absorbing the whole system with it's nonstandard, monolithic nightmare is a good thing, judging from downvotes. Carry on.

Hey Lennart, I have a good addition to your project, it's called myballsd and it's a daemon that automatically formats your drives and replaces them with images of my cock and balls every time you have a shit idea

Maybe give it a whirl, maybe you'd stop with your dogshit ideas

Well I guess eMacs has a real challenger these days but systems does everything poorly

Between this and the pip install break all system packages

This has to be about the dumbest change I could possibly gather in the last 20 years of computing. I can’t even imagine breaking this many things all at once. I’m still dealing with the side effects of people’s installers from docker-compose and the pip problems - ansible will just never be the same again. Now this.

At this point I looks to replace systemd with vim. Anything better than systemd mess

Lennart's cancer spreads.