Correcting libs on CCP vs. CPC
Correcting libs on CCP vs. CPC
It's tiring to tell libs that its actually CPC instead of CCP.
- CCP = Chinese China Party (???)
- CPC = Chinese Party of China (correct)
I'm literally going to drop kick someone who gets it wrong!!!
Thoughts? Is it worthwhile to correct people on this?
Actually it's GNU/CPC.
Stallman was there at the long march riding a majestic Gnu.
China's Chinese Communist Party
Heyyy that looks familiar...
We shouldn't correct them. The distinction makes a good identifier.
CCP- Supporter of insane "New Cold War" foreign policy in the midst of the current poly crisis that plagues 21st century human civilization.
CPC- Supporter of sitting down with the Chinese and trying to hash out policies that stabilizes a world beset by said crisis.
True. It's a great litmus test but it's still extremely painful to hear from people who are well meaning but stubborn since media outlets in the west only say CCP.
It's one of those red scare hurdles that is everywhere, especially in the US of A.
I understand. It irks me too as it reminds me of the disastrous pivoting to Asia that I feel is part of the current trend towards a more unstable world.
On another level, it annoys the hell out of me just as a matter of trying to be polite to someone by referring to them by how they call themselves.
Nah, correcting them is a good talking point and it doesn't erode their identifiability because they won't accept the correction. CNN, Washington Post, NYT, NPR, etc all say CCP so as far as they're concerned God himself bestowed the name CCP on them and nothing could possibly change their minds. But it can still catch unsuspecting default-libs who look into it and go "hang on, why does every single Western source literally just use an incorrect name for a foreign political party?"
I'd say if they were never going to use the correct acronym in the first place, then I just wouldn't say anything to them unless they get confused and ask why I use CPC.
Frankly I think CCP for some of them is a way for them to make believe they are fighting the Soviets again.
China's Chinese China Party of Chinese China
At least someone gets it.
Don't, it's a simple shibboleth and not worth the effort. Pulling people up on it makes them more reflexively suspicious of you. People using it means they're probably a lib.
There's a typo in your post:
- CCP = Communal Communist Party
- CPC = Communist Party of Communism
Potato, Potato.
Chinese scholars usually write it as CCP. This shit is something that only western china fans care about
What do you think hexbear is? I'm actually the president of the Chinese Party of China fan club (also known as hexbear).
Chinese scholars usually write it as CCP.
Source? Why would they use the wrong acronym for their own country's government?
idk people like wang hui and li minqi write CCP. It's very common for chinese academics to use that acronym when publishing in english
Why would they use the wrong acronym for their own country's government?
CPC and CCP are both correct
Still pretty useful as a Shibboleth. But both points suggest we only let the cool people know it should be CPC, no use chasing libs around on semantics.
Also to distinguish from the Cuban Communist Party.
Which scholars? Robert Conquest and Michael Parenti are both Soviet scholars, after all.
CCP is such a dead giveaway you're dealing with a crank.
Or someone who actually knows the history and period-specific usage of the word CCP:
Per the CPPCC of Guangzhou:
随着1943年共产国际的解散，中国官方以CPC取代CCP，亦在情理之中。很明显，“the Communist Party of China （CPC）”里的“of China”强调的是，这个党是属于中国的政党，是为中国奋斗的政党，主要体现了这个党的独立性。
Following the dissolution of Comintern in 1943, it was reasonable that the Chinese government replaced CCP with CPC. Obviously, the “China” in the “Communist Party of China” emphasizes the national character of the party, that it represents a party that fights for China (the country), and to underline the independence of the party (from its previous association with Comintern).
CPPCC = Chinese People’s Political Consultative Committee lol
This is the hexbearian shit I was looking for
This is interesting if that's the explanation because I'm reading a textbook about China's history from the Qing empire to current day and the introduction used CPC, while the rest of the book so far (up to the 1930s) has used CCP. I wondered what was up.
I've yet to meet a burger irl that uses the correct acronym, even if they're not frothing at the mouth sinophobes.
No it's CCC vs CCC.
Chinese China of China vs. Chinese China China. The former is the correct one.
Jokes aside CPC is a dog whistle for cool people and CCP is a sign that someone is a big ol' lib. I don't correct people because the big ol' libs don't need to learn this, they should get radicalized first.
Umm sweaty, it's called 中国共产党, which is literally China Communist Party (CCP). Checkmate
I thought it was the Chinese party of Chinese China?
China with Chinese characteristics
The Communist party Party of China, they organize festive events communistically
???
CCP stands for Chinese Confucianist Party. Please watch theory.
Damn, this is what I get for not binge watching.
Chinese Party of China
... hey wait a minute!Don't tell me you say Chinese China Party smh my head.
CCP = Click Clack Paddywack
give the dog a bone
Xi Jinping came rolling home
CCP is the correct order of the words in chinese.
However, CPC is the official translation, and CCP unnecessarily centers "Chinese", insinuating xenophobia. CCP is probably a self-translation from anti-communist chinese expats who might have limited english fluency and didn't use many english sources of information. People saying it's supposed to Evoke the CCCP I think are off the mark.
IMO, I think CCP can be rejected as an incorrect translation, because the word used in the original is Zhōngguó, not Zhōnghuá.
Now, the word used in the named PRC is Zhōnghuá, so the most accurate translation of that would be Chinese People's Republic? now that's cursed. I bet that's the official translation in some language, but none I know.
It's cool to see how words and titles can evolve over time across time and languages. GOOD post.
no it's seeee seeee peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
ICUP = International Chinese Union of People.
incredible bit
CCCP: Chinese Communist China Party
o7
Not worth it unless/until they no longer have the hostile mindset towards China westoids tend to have
i argued with a lib about this and how westerners did the same thing during vietnam with VCP instead of CPV to racistly emphasize the nationality.. didn't go anywhere they just called me a crazy reaching tankie and said chinese communist party "rolls off the tongue better"
Sorry u had to deal with that. Educating people about the Chinese Party of China is bitter work.
Actually, tankie, it's Cee Cee Pee (Chinese embarrassment enveloping Communism except everyone Performs evilness everywhere)
perhaps it's more useful to us as a shibboleth
Dropkick liberals because it's praxis
Thoughts? Is it worthwhile to correct people on this?
It's worthwhile correcting people on it purely because CCP and CPC indicate who is a reasonable human who will talk about the country honestly and take on new information compared to who is currently completely consumed by propaganda.
I correct people on it and if they continue to say CCP I switch to berating them and making the interaction as miserable as possible. If they switch to CPC I know I'm talking to a person that will take on new information I give them.
If they switch to CPC I know I'm talking to a person that will take on new information I give them.
Yeah I think this is the key part. It's nice to look out for when you're talking to someone and you're trying to gauge vibes.
I am ashamed to admit that I find 'CCPC' to be mildly amusing due to how the pronunciation can be interpreted in some languages.
I know exactly what you're talking about L'MAO (
) since in my Bangla it sounds... very smelly.
i tend to take the tack that it's not particularly fruitful to argue about semantics of a foreign name unless you're going to be there or interfacing directly. does the party actually care how nobody yankees refer to them? would you care what order an abbreviation of your org was in cyrillic?
I think since it's so low effort to switch between them that it acts as a good way to see if someone is willing to change their perspective or are stubborn. This is the least material thing though it's just annoying to hear sometimes because chuds over enunciate the first two Cs.
chuds would over enunciate and use CPC like a slur if it became the common parlance, that's just a matter of tone.
i can see both sides of the non chud equation though and i don't think either are worthwhile. yes if someone switches terminology for you it means they're flexible and respectful. but many people, even fellow travellers and comrades can take semantic corrections in a hostile way. focusing on spelling, grammar, naming conventions etc can be seen as ignoring or sidestepping what someone is actually trying to say.
I don’t correct them, but I do inject the correct spelling in my reply.
I work in coffee and frequently have to deal with names that the (very) white people around me can't pronounce and unless they ask, I don't correct them, I just say it correctly myself.
I suppose if you have the wherewithal to do so, do so.
Frankly its low on my list of concerns so i cant be fucked to do so.
I’ve heard/read that it’s (ccp) technically correct in Chinese and that CPC was adopted to fit communist party naming conventions in the 20th century. I could be full of shit though + I haven’t read any comments here
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If they insist on saying CCP (only) as the correct form, they should get CBT...
Use "CPC" yourself but otherwise it's a pretty pointless endeavour to convince others in my opinion.
"CCP" isn't actually offensive, and was used by the party historically.
I think it's only useful as an example (preferably one among many) of how many English-language sources are uninterested in getting even minor details about China right, and/or are showing their bias by their willingness to intentionally take petty cheap shots.
Best quick hit I can think of is:
It's like running across a foreign language source that calls the Democratic Party the Democrat Party. Either they aren't that familiar with the facts or they're cribbing right-wing crank shit.
Was this post inspired by my post on the letters C and P
what about...
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