Amazon’s First ‘Fallout’ Show Art Is AI Generated

For an example of our limitations as humans, there’s only 50ish unique plot lines in the English language.

How would the unique plotlines be determined by the language they're told in? Why would the amount of plotlines be based on human cognitive capabilities? None of this makes sense.

Either way, "unique plotline" doesn't mean anything, from the perspective of literary or narrative studies. There's no universal, objective way to dissect narratives, and they cannot be boiled down to a distinct number of basic models. There have been attempts to get to the most fundamental narrative model (Greimas, Campbell), but they're far from widely accepted.

People who are just flat against any and all AI or LLMs are behind the curve.

Art is, by itself, not something that has "the curve". If you're doing something with very practical goals and need hyperproduction, sure, but art is not necessarily made or consumed with such a logic.

Pretty much.

People very frequently complain about AI taking the jobs of artists. But if the money was never actually going to be put on the table for artists to claim, I really don't think that was going to help much.

That doesn't mean I hate artists what do, absolutely not. It's just that artists are people and people are limited in how much they can do at any single time.

For the past couple of months. I've currently been waiting on multiple artists to finish up their commission queue. And one of which I'm worried I'll have to turn away because of a variety of life changes in my life that's led me to losing my job and me having reduced income.

As of right now, the costs of generating a picture with a tool like Stable Diffusion or DALL-E has been pretty low, the former even being free if you have the right hardware. And these systems manage to be almost always available, as well as being capable of working in a matter of seconds.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that these tools are only good at painting the bigger picture. They have a tendency to choke on the smaller details. And I would personally rather wait for an actual person to be available to work on something original that's also capable of filling a niche that AI models have yet to be trained on.

The wheel is a form of automation

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You should consult with a lawyer first. The amount of misinformation circulating on the Internet about how AI art is all public domain is enormous. That recent court case (Thaler v. Perlmutter) that made the rounds just recently, for example, does not say what most people seemed to be eagerly assuming it said.

Neither do they have copyright of the stock art they used to purchase. The complete piece, however, including pip boy, is not AI generated. Someone put this together, put effort into it, which easily qualifies it for copyright protection, even if the background is AI generated instead of bought stock art.

If you're talking about that recent legal case, look again. The artist made the claim that the AI was the sole author, but that he should own the IP. I think the vast majority of people would claim that, in it's current state, the AI is a digital tool an author uses to make art. The recent ruling just reconfirm that A machines aren't people, and B you can't just own another author's work.

I didn't even get past 30 min. After seeing what they did to Mat's family and character I was out.

The LOTR show that they spend a cool billion on is awful as well...

But Egwene could totally be the DR, you guys...

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Yeah, I enjoyed my watch of LOTR: ROP. I'm a big Tolkien fan too. I read the trilogy and hobbit once a year and the silmarillion once every three or four (it's dense af). ROP wasn't an accurate adaptation, but it's a fun fan fic that I felt was respectful to original material. Plus it has some awesome visuals and great sound track. There's definitely things to criticize about it. It's far from a perfect show, but it's not bad. I'll probably do another watch through when the next season gets closer to being released.

WOT though, it hurt my heart...

I'm in the LOTR was good camp. I liked how it took its time. It felt vast and expansive but still coherent. And it was beautiful to look at. I hope the subsequent seasons can keep the quality up despite the changes to production.

Why must you hurt me with the truth? Counterpoint though: Almost heaven

Exactly. They just have to follow the in game universe and how it operates. Obviously they can not have us as watchers dictate what happens but instead transfer that look. , Feeling to the person on screen. As long as they get the universe of fallout correct it will do good. All they have to do is make a good story if they fail at that then gg.

This is an interesting question actually. In my head, "staying true to the games" initially referred to how the game operates like the other commenter said e.g.

• How different bodily needs are met. To quench my thirst, do I boil the dirty water and just take some RadAway? How much radiation does this InstaMash have? If a character in the show drinks from an irradiated lake and somehow isn't affected by the next plot device, how "true to the game" is that? If I do that in any of the Fallout games, I'd be running into Deathclaws with only a fraction of my max HP.

• VATS. Will time be stopped or slowed down while the characters are selecting and terminating their targets? There's a lot that can go well here especially since it's an opportunity to inject slow-mo Hollywood-style shooting scenes, but can you imagine if they don't put any slow-mo at all? In my opinion that would show a huge lack of understanding of the games.

• To your point, decisions. Unfortunately I think making decisions for the audience is unavoidable here unless the show becomes something like Netflix's interactive specials. However, some good ideas might include reproducing quests similar to the ones from the games and then making decisions based on data they may have gathered from game quests. Take the Megaton Bomb quest for example. Maybe the show will force a character into deciding between blowing up a city or not at the twilight of a story arc. In the end, they decide to blow it up. Then, during the credit roll, they show that most people in the games who did the Megaton quest actually blew up the city. I don't actually know what the real stats are, but I think it would be a good idea for the show's characters -- to a certain reasonable extent, because if we blew everything up like in my last playthrough it wouldn't be a very good show -- to follow the patterns of most decisions made by the playerbase in the games. I'd see that as an attempt to reconcile the disconnect between playing a game(lots of control) vs. watching a show(no control).

I don’t personally care so much about strict (some amount is needed) game-lore following but I would want to have it feel the same if that makes sense.

I want to feel the wastes and the personalities and ideologies that have reigned supreme since the bombs fell. I wanna feel that mystery and that goofiness that I’ve come to love from each of these games.

Can’t flop harder than 76 did and I got a feeling Bethesda is gonna take extra long on the next one, hence this tv show to satiate for a bit (maybe who tf knows it’s Bethesda and Amazon man)

I probably wouldn't have but if there are errors as big as those and they're trying to slide it by me, that's pretty slimy.