Mother Gaia and Humans
Mother Gaia and Humans
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Direct Link: https://www.geekxgirls.com/article.php?ID=12040
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Original Artist: https://humoncomics.com/
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This is so fucking stupid.
No seriously. Stop. Think. This is SO FUCKING STUPID.
Humans can live IN SPACE. We are NOT destroying ourselves. We are HYPER ADVANCED COCKROACHES. We will easily survive whatever damage we cause to the planet.
The problem with destroying the planet is not that we're destroying humanity. What a stupid, egocentric take. The problem with destroying the planet IS THAT WE'RE DESTROYING THE PLANET.
"Mass extinction? Eh who cares" is a FUCKING STUPID TAKE and I have no clue why so many people here are okay with it. What the fuck is wrong with all of you? This is NOT OKAY. MASS EXTINCTIONS ARE NOT OKAY.
Is this a fucking psyop? What the fuck?
I think you might have misread the message of this comic. It's not saying mass extinction is ok, or that we shouldn't try to preserve the environment. It's saying nature doesn't need us, and we are killing ourselves. Nature and life will go on long after climate change kill us all. It's saying humans are so egocentric they use the words "destroying the planet" when they only destroy themselves.
Also as far as I know we can't live in space for very long currently.
Nature needs us to stop destroying nature.
We might be able to evolve and adapt to the harsh condition of space.... in a few generations of breeding in space.
You see the Catch-22
Well, survive yes. But self-sufficiency is a big problem. The world is nowadays so interconnected that even a problem in only one region can severely affect all of humanity (e.g. semiconductors from Taiwan). So yes, a collapse of our modern society is certainly possible.
Destroying the planet is not really a thing. Mass extinctions in the past were a big deal but at the same time: Earth recovered. We only have a big problem because the plants/animals we need might go extinct.
Obviously valuing nature and wildlife diversity in and of itself is good but it doesn't have any intrinsic value in regards to supporting society.
Destroying the planet is not really a thing
Also, can everyone please shut the fuck up with the "Well ACKSHUALLY, you're not destroying the literal ball of rock and magma so you're not destroying the planet". Fuck you, you know what it means.
Sorry, I meant "destroy the planet" as in lifeless/only single celled organisms.
And you can kind of see humanity as "just another big asteroid impact". Nature will recover competeley over the next million years or so. That's what I meant with mass extinctions being kind of inconsequential for the planet as a whole on geological time scales.
Obviously mass extinctions are also bad besides their effect on human society, I just meant that that is mostly a spiritual one thats hard to measure, about lost potential and eradicating a species. As a thought experiment, is eradicating a disease, a form of life, inherently negative? Mosquitoes? Do you agree that it's a big achievement that we eradicated small pox? What if we eradicate all existing diseases?
Mass extinctions are different. We should be aiming to never have any more mass extinctions ever.
Yeah, I guess that was a bit of a strawman. Obviously mass extinctions are bad.
Mass extinctions are BAD. Not because of how it affects human society, Jesus Christ. They're just bad because we shouldn't be fucking up the planet. That should be a baseline moral understanding and it's terrifying that none of you are seeing it.
Just to touch on a problem but there.
Humans can live IN SPACE.
Ahhh no... We can habitat space. We really really can't live there.
We can't really give birth or develop in space, gravity unlike ours will eventually deteriorate our bodies, even on Mars you will go blind and start developing clots before too long just from the slightly lower gravity. And that's nothing of the radiation we are blocked from here on Earth.
The list is long and bad. We are adaptable but mostly on Earth adaptable. Able to survive climates and regions not everything ever. We can probably eventually figure out space but we can never just live there.
So when we destroy the planet we might really just take ourselves out too.
Of course we can. We could build a giant rotating shielded space station. We have all the technology, we just haven't done it because it's expensive.
I studied theoretical astrophysics as part of an earth and space exploration field.
Trust me, we really don't just have all the technology. That doesn't answer a lot of problems and you are assuming our level of science.
We might be able to figure out a good chunk of it if money is of no cost but that's no guarantee.
Man not even to talk about material cost. It would take us decades.
Name a few problems.
Yeah I am not inspired to actually bother answering that if you are coming into this without an expectation of an actual conversation.
It sounds more like you want a fight and that's not what I'm doing.
Space is not an easy answer. Even if you just want it to be.
I don't really like "trust me bro" takes on things.
Yeah and you are doing the same. I pulled my credentials you just don't want to be wrong cause it hurts your feelings.
I'm asking for examples of how it won't work. I've given examples of how I believe it would work.
Your example was a generic from science fiction vague statement about a shielded rotating space station.
You have no experience or expertise to back up your statement.
It ignores the extra damage a large space station takes from micro asteroids by being a larger target. It ignores fuel costs of moving something that large into orbit. It ignores food and oxygen limitations on populace. It ignores low gravity birth issues. Radiation issues. Issues of diseases, resources collection and management.
You made a vague uneducated guess of an idea and demanded it be the requirement of others to prove you wrong.
You took the same argument style of a maga conspiracy conservative.
Stop being such a a child and a martyr.
I said we had the technology, you condescending dumbass. All those issues are solvable, they're just not practical to solve. Not right now anyway. If earth became uninhabitable, we would find the money and motivation.
Name a scientific hurdle. Not a logistical one, not an economic one, an actual issue that we do not have the technology to mitigate.
Also, stop being a condescending dumbass. Either thing alone is bad enough, but being both stupid and arrogant is particularly annoying.
And more important than the below discussion, anyone got any more fucking "ACKSUALLY" comments from the goddamn peanut gallery?
It's a conversation. Are you really this upset just cause reality is less magical than science fiction?
It's not a peanut gallery. It's the rest of the users on this site. The whole point of being here.
Lemmy is the most socially maladapted userbase I've ever seen on an internet forum. Almost every single time you make a statement, some hair-splitting contrarian will show up with a single counter example to derail the discussion.
I'm upset because you people need to learn how to communicate, and I'll keep cussing at you until you get it.
The idea of living in space was on topic that you brought up.
You were wrong about it.
If you are upset then get off the Internet don't take it out on other people assuming you are the only one who is right.
Blah blah no one cares
And then an emotional response instead of recognition. You really are immature and can't handle being wrong about a subject.
No, you don't care. If you are wrong you are. Grow up and move on.
No one else cares if you are incorrect either I was just trying to inform you the way you think you are informing others.