"but- But- inflation go brrrr π₯Ίππ"
"but- But- inflation go brrrr π₯Ίππ"
"but- But- inflation go brrrr π₯Ίππ"
That chart is evil. First two ticks represent 5 years. Ticks 2-3 represent 2 years. The last two ticks represent 2 1/2-3 years!
Also, what's so magical about 2014 that it deserves to be the baseline? I'd love to see this extended back to, oh, 2006 or so. Sometime before the Great Recession.
Finally, what about shrinkflation? I used to order from Panera on a regular basis, but during the pandemic, it seemed like their sandwiches shrank a little bit more between every order. At this point, I don't think it's even worth ordering from them.
JFC I didn't even notice the x axis at first glance.
The time line doesn't matter since it is only comparing different brands to inflation, not against time. You could stretch the graph but the comparison will stay the same.
2014 is just chosen as a starting point. Most probably because the info was readily available. You can make the same graph starting from any point in time and the conclusion of the graph wouldn't change.
Hard disagree on both points. If the time line doesn't matter, why include it? It would be simpler to just plot the endpoints.
As for the conclusion, what if McDonalds kept prices the same from 2004-2014, but Popeyes doubled prices over the same time period? The final plots for 2024 would be in a different order. It would be a different conclusion. Unless nobody changed prices at all before 2014, you'll have a different final result.
I guess just because it's 10 years difference?
There is no excuse for this kind of ungodly travesty of a lie made with data.
They are awarded no points and may God have mercy on their soul.
And who is what at that mid-level grouping on the left vertical? I could guess at the colors, but I've come up with 9 different possibilities. It'd be nice to be able to tell which is leveling off and which is accelerating.
Not to mention that a huge number of these businesses are locally owned franchises, where the parent corporation has less control over menu prices.
Ooooh, now plot the avg wage across this period. Y=min wage.
I was talking with a coworker the other day and they were talking about how raising minimum wage causes inflation because businesses will raise prices to offset to rise in labor costs. I asked if he thought inflation had gotten bad in the past 5ish years in particular. He said of course. I said well federal minimum wage hasn't risen since 2009, which was 15 years ago, so it sounds like inflation is gonna happen regardless of wages and is based on the capitalistic goal of infinite growth, so maybe we should raise minimum wage so lower income people have a shot at affording basic necessities.
He just said no, then inflation just would've been worse. It's maddening.
The response to this is that inflation is a market force working against the downward pressure of demand. There is a limit to the amount prices can go up before people stop buying altogether.
Another inflationary force is greed, funneling additional profits into the pockets of the 0.1%.
Let the inflation due to minimum wage be X, and the inflation due to greed be Y, and the maximum total inflation be Z. X+Y=Z
Of course there are other variables, but in a general sense, if X goes up, Y must go down. If X does not go up, Y does.
So yes there will be inflation, but increasing wages takes more money from the ownership and puts it into the pockets of the bottom 99.9% where it will do far more good.
And in case it wasn't clear, this is precisely why the oligarchy opposes increasing the minimum wage. It has nothing to do with inflation, and everything to do with they make less money.
Pathetic bootlicker won't accept the facts when they hurt his master...
Are we supposed treat these people as adults?
Honestly, I think there's 2 ways to think through this. Way 1: Magically the minimum wage is increased, and everything about the legislators stays the same.
This would increase inflation, as what's causing inflation is the lack of legislation and enforcement. Thus allowing companies to raise prices and profits unchecked.
Way 2: The legislators change in such a way that it's logical and possible to raise the minimum wage. Also logically other legislation would be passed to reduce the unchecked greed.
This would not increase inflation on it's own, and likely would keep it to a healthy minimum.
I think most who complain about the minimum wage talks can only imagine the first way.
Actually, this graph does display the % average wage increase!
Itβs the line where the x axis is.
This companies are able to generate billions in profit every quarter, let alone every year. They have also been reporting record breaking profits quarter after quarter for the past several years. I'm pretty sure the 17 y/o Burger flippers aren't the problem here.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MCD/mcdonalds/gross-profit
[1]Average franchise profitability at Burger King rose nearly +50% last year (2023) compared to 2022
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SBUX/starbucks/gross-profit
I wonder how da fuq did McDonalds think that this is okay?
Setting aside all considerations of ethics or morality, from a pure greed standpoint even a very naive person could realize that if you squeeze the sheeple too much they may choose to go elsewhere rather than continue to rely on you for easy comfort food.
Do they think they have a monopoly on the market? Even just from the fast-food burger places that were included in this graphic, there are multiple cheaper options - Burger King and Wendy's - plus Arby's & Taco Bell and Chick-fil-a are somewhat similar.
Do they think that people will suddenly not care about where their money is going? That strategy tends to work when you squeeze (bleed) them slowly, but this kind of a sudden spike carries the risk of waking them up to how much eating there is costing them - and once they are gone, it would be very hard to attract them back.
So this strategy even looks to be detrimental to the company of McDonalds, even if good for the short-term stockholders & CEO before they jump elsewhere.
It's the black line on the bottom
random images found online (couldn't find one for individual/personal income & wage, only household). i could plug it into matplotlib but i'm lazy
It's been maddening to watch people call price-gouging "inflation", honestly.
That's not fucking inflation when someone in the supply chain made things more expensive and pocketed the difference as a wider profit margin; it's the symptom of non-enforcement of antitrust laws.
I mean, most foodstuffs markets (in the supply chain between farm and grocer or farm -> restaurant) are controlled by very few people or corporations; when the farmers get less for their products but the grocer must pay more for them, that's not inflation. It's price-gouging, the symptom of the kinds of market failures that follow regulatory failures to prevent corporate mergers that would reduce competition in those markets.
When you look at food, fuel, housing, the enshittification of basically everything, the acquisition of yesterday's hot-fresh-streaming services and re-packaging them to be just as predatory as the cable was when you cut the cord and went to streaming- it's all what we get when private equity owns a piece of everything and they're running it all to squeeze more out of everyone they can, and they also ensure regulators don't do a damned thing about it.
There was once a time when regulators had the will to block corporate mergers, and they had the will to tax windfall profits at 100%.
If inflation isn't based on most prices increasing... What is it based on?
If inflation isnβt based on most prices increasingβ¦ What is it based on?
It's the devaluation of currency that happens when too much of it chases too few goods in the marketplace. It's purely a monetary thing, you get that when the supply of money grows more quickly than the value of real goods in the economy does.
Ideally, we print money (and take it out of circulation) at a pace that keeps the money supply more or less balanced to the value of available goods and services in the economy. If we were to print too much money, or not take enough out of circulation (note: paying taxes does this; when you pay taxes the money doesn't go into some account somewhere, it's used to zero out the bonds issued to create it), the amount of money in circulation would become greater than the amount of real valuable goods in the economy. When that happens, the resulting bidding contest to secure those goods (after all, money doesn't have intrinsic value, it's only good for buying things that do) drives up the price of those goods in monetary terms.
If anything this tells me that that inflation number is bullshit.
What's bullshit are the cherry-picked numbers on the chart and the jumpy x-axis.
Edit: Article here quotes McDonalds as stating the Big Mac is up 21% since 2019. Sources elsewhere say the sandwich price is actually down since both 2014 and 2019, so who knows. If anything, I would expect Subway to have a higher point on the graph than it does.
Now do since 2014 like the chart
Yes, this.
The real dystopia is that people are talking about fast food at all. It's garbage food. Realisticly it's always been the worst and often most expensive choice.
Itβs garbage food.
It's quick, convenient, and explicitly designed to rub all the right parts of your palette. Besides, the worst part of the fast food menu is the soda and fries. The rest of the meal is marginal.
Realisticly itβs always been the worst and often most expensive choice.
Its consistently worse than home cooking. But not everyone has the luxury of a functional kitchen or a stocked fridge or the time to prepare the meal. And as to "most expensive"... hardly. I remember getting Chipotle on campus, when a burrito was $8 and came in at around 1000 calories. Very hard to name another restaurant that offered that kind of value, speed, and convenience.
A lot of what fast food restaurants are banking on today is this over-reliance on their convenience making them an inelastic good. No more home economics classes, teaching young people how to cook. Lots of gig work means people are always on the road. Lots of people living alone. Lots of shitty apartments where major appliances simply don't work.
You're stuck, dude. Now give me $15 for a sandwich.
Its consistently worse than home cooking. But not everyone has the luxury of a functional kitchen or a stocked fridge or the time to prepare the meal.
You're not wrong here. It's not good food, but it's easy and touches the makes-me-crave-it neurons, it's often available in food deserts (where it's legitimately difficult to really stock a kitchen) and sometimes it's only cheap in the context of whether or not you have that home infra and time to use it or not.
I just use my privilege (I have a pretty functional kitchen and the ability to stock it mightily) to not fund a business model that looks to me like it's hostile to labor (yeah you, McDonalds and most of the rest), tends to give money to politics I can't abide (looking at you, chick-fil-a), and I really prefer to patronize businesses whose employees don't have the energy of beaten animals. I get that it's my privilege to do that, but being someone with that to work with, using it appropriately seems the right thing to do.
I too have seen Demolition Man
And I bet you still don't know how to use the three sea shells
Thatβs what I donβt get. Do people actually eat this garbage still? Itβs literally toxic trash that costs twice as much as a home cooked meal and tastes like shit. Why???
Step outside your own circumstances and attempt to actually think of reasons why people would want/need to choose fast food. Don't delude yourself with all the easy reasons to avoid fast food. Those reasons are immaterial in the lives of many.
Taco Bell is fucking ridiculous now. A single grilled cheese burrito on its own is over $10. The other burritos are 3 to 4 bucks as well. The entire point of Taco Bell is that it's supposed to be cheap garbage food you order at 1AM on a weekend after smoking a bowl, and that's no longer feasible. Now it's expensive garbage food. Nevermind that they also got rid of half the menu.
I'm lucky that I live in a town with about 2 billion taco trucks that are all insanely better and cheaper than Taco Bell. Plus, Taco Bell tastes like a Midwestern white lady's version of Mexican food, which made it easy to avoid even when it wasn't so expensive.
I can't imagine living in a town without real Mexican food. We have taco trucks and authentic fast food style Mexican spots where I'm at too.
Nothing that Taco Bell has ever made comes close to the quality of a random shady looking taco truck.
$10? Where? They're $4.79 here by me in Chicago.
Southern Ontario. It's in CAD.
The only thing worth getting is the $6 cravings box that is only available through the app.
It's $8 where I'm at now. They do have a special taco Tuesday box for 5-6 now though.
The only good deal for Taco Bell is taco Tuesday deal. 5 dollars for 3 tacos and a drink. They got a build your own box that's a good deal too, but everything else is so expensive.
Shit Wendy's used to have good mobile deals and now they are mostly trash. That new CEO that wanted surge pricing on burgers is fucking up everything with Wendy's for me.
I'm at a place where the local Mexican restaurant has better dinner deals Mon-Thurs than any fast food around me. Depending on the day it's like $7-$10. I just gotta watch my drinking there.
I just get the build your own meal for like $5 and get a crunch wrap supreme 4 layer burrito or whatever and nachos and a drink. Idk why someone would bother paying that much for fast food
Went there recently, plain bean burrito used to cost me 1.29...now it's 2.85 AND they now charge extra .20 if you want extra onions.
Crazy prices now.
I miss Taco Viva
The quality at all of those places has gone down over that time too. I didn't even think that was possible
When I was in college, I could fill up on three bean burritos at Taco Bell for $1.81 out the door. Del Taco was cheaper at $1.50.
That was thirty years ago, but still. I don't know how to explain it, but it felt a whole lot easier to dig up that kind of pocket change back then than it does to dig up whatever it costs today.
Now it's 3-4 bucks per burrito here. And it's still garbage food.
I'm pretty sure the McDonald's one is false, which makes me think all of the others are too. This is a bad faith argument. I'm assuming this is going around TikTok and that's why so many braindead people keep repeating it
Yeah, look at the x axis labels. 5 years, 2 years, and 3 years. WTF?
Ha, I came here to say that, too.
I'm definitely weary of posts like this with no data backup. Also what is "actual inflation"? Wouldn't that be like average inflation across all goods? Doesn't inflation affect certain markets differently?
I'm also tired of posts like this.
I have found the article here: https://financebuzz.com/fast-food-prices-vs-inflation
At work so I canβt read it atm, but Iβm interested to hear your conclusion later
I found this article yesterday, from none other than Fox (who I would think would lean into this narrative): https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/mcdonalds-pushes-back-hefty-price-hikes-including-18-big-mac-meal
According to the McDonald's CEO, the $18 Big Mac (which is where this number comes from) was 1 location, and the average price of a Big Mac is up 21% since 2019 (less than inflation). So I think all of these numbers in your article are cherry picked or just made up
False as in too low? In 2014 both the mcdouble and mcchicken were $1 each. I ate way too many, but I could get 2 sandwiches and a large drink for $3 plus tax. Today the mcdouble is $2.79, the mcchicken is $2.49, and a large drink is $1.69.
10 years, double the prices? ain't that far off.
at our mcd, at least that much for many, if not most, things on their menu. everything i (used to) buy there, anyway. and way more than that for the former 'dollar menu' items. beverages the least affected, although it's now probably double, too (the large cup shrunk on top of the 90% increase since then).
Shrinking cups is actually a good thing. Nobody needs that much sugar, and the cost of the syrup is pennies compared to the cost of the cup itself. They are also mostly plastic now. Normalizing smaller beverages is good for humans.
Oh wow, it's almost as if allowing the 0.001 to try and accumulate infinite wealth is a bad idea. Who could've guessed?
I mean, I could name a few people... Bernie Sanders, AOC, Robert Reich, the list goes on:-).
Could under reporting of real inflation that consumers feel be a factor here?
Iβm sure these companies are exploiting consumers, but Iβve also been suspicious of the reported inflation numbers. It feels a lot higher than that and actually it could be more in line with the companies in the graph.
Maybe itβs not the fast food prices that are high but the inflation number that is too low.
That's a valid concern and I was wondering the same thing, but as of now, unless something leaks saying that they where lying, this is all we have to go on
And maybe it's both
MIT used to have the Billion Prices Project which tried to determine inflation numbers independently of the government, but it no longer exists. My recollection is that it was generally close to the official numbers.
If you think the reported numbers are wrong, you have to give a reason why, backed with evidence. As much as it sucks when rent and food, etc. are more expensive, but those are only part of the number. Inflation encompasses everything and some goods/services are higher than the average number and some are lower. For instance, car insurance has gone up a ton, but apparently fuel oil has gone down (https://econofact.org/inflation-and-prices).
I think what people are (rightly) concerned about is that the necessities of life are higher than the official numbers (because those are an average of lots of things). This makes them think the real numbers are "wrong" based their specific situation rather than the country at large.
God this makes me so want to eat the rich!
My wife is charging me 140% more for dinner now, prices are getting insane!
Iβm surprised the two lowest ones are Subway and Starbucks. Whereβs the $5 foot long? And I guess Starbucks has always been expensive so $6 for a coffee isnβt much of an increase from what it was.
The $5 footlong hasn't existed for years (honestly maybe a decade) at this point. It's like a $10 footlong now.
I was surprised too, but then I found this vvv. This people are making 25 billion profit which now makes sense for the comparatively low percentage
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SBUX/starbucks/gross-profit
i remember when starbucks first opened, dunkin donuts was selling plain black coffee for 10 cents a cup.
Used to be a 20$ bill could get you all you need at t bell.
We used to feed a family of 4 for $20 at Taco Bell
Probably because all food prices has outpaced inflation. If you've done any grocery shopping in the past two years between shrinkflation and price increases many food items have doubled in price.
The right wing always assumes everything is a government conspiracy and the left wing assumes everything is a corporate conspiracy and neither group bothers to think about any other reason for things like this.
But before blaming the government for "printing money" (when the central banks have done the opposite by raising interest rates) or assuming every grocery store in the world got together to raise prices all at once, maybe we should consider other factors.
There could be food supply issues. Given this is a global phenomena, we should consider global food supply problems.
One thing that could cause global food supply is if there was a war in a part of the war that normally exports a large percentage of a staple food to the rest of the world. Where is wheat and grain normally produced? Is there a war happening there?
The fun thing about economics is the idea of substitutes. Bread is more expensive now? Just have more rice. Grain is too expensive for cattle feed? Mix in some more corn. If you're the only one doing these tricks to reduce your food costs, it works really well. But unfortunately everyone is substituting which results on food prices across the board going up.
Also Climate Change does have an effect on agriculture. Droughts and floods mean less food is produced. So places which were reliable fields for farming aren't so reliable anymore. So while the war in Ukraine will eventually be resolved which will put some downward pressure on food prices, climate change will continuously be putting an upward pressure on the price of food.
Damn food trucks took our jobs.
And they'll blame Biden.
I only trust Campbell tomato soup
Geez what happened in 2020 ... Oh right.
Taxes on the wealthy went down with Trump in charge.
Fun fact! This chart is just strait up wrong. McDonalds prices are up around 20% compared to wages that are up 28%.