Biden supporters mostly back him in 2024 election because they oppose Trump, poll finds
Biden supporters mostly back him in 2024 election because they oppose Trump, poll finds
Poll comes as the Biden campaign has ramped up its rhetoric in attacking Trump directly in recent weeks
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First the entire context was "How was Biden worse than expected?" to which I answered that some people think everything can happen on a dime, which they can't because they take time.
Second, we are moving in the right direction. Unprecedented green energy policies, EV incentives, charging infrastructure, pretty sure there was stuff for train building, quick googling says $20.5 Billion for transit funding https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/biden-harris-administration-provide-205-billion-federal-funding-support-transit. Congrats, you showed you are the exact person that thinks the world can all change on a dime.
And some 20 times more than that is going to highways
Two-thirds ($432 billion) of that $643 billion is flowing to conventional highway programs. https://t4america.org/iija/
Meanwhile, gas guzzling SUV sales have skyrocketed recently https://www.theautopian.com/heres-the-exact-year-suv-sales-overtook-sedan-sales-in-america/
As for EV incentives, China has been dominating with EV adoption lately with affordable options. Theyve got a damn 11k brand new EV that is so enticing, the US and EU are banning it from import because it would be too successful here.
Ahh the "not enough!", aka "not fast enough!" You want more? Then vote Dems in consistently and overwhelmingly.
And then the "it's not changing fast enough!". You do realize those are private purchases right? The government can't mandate what people buy.
And then the China tariff. Like it it not they're going to protect American industry from low wage made cars.
So we're basically back to, congrats you just showed you're exactly the "not fast enough!" person. And we are moving in the right direction with, well everything I already listed. You want to move faster? Give Dems overwhelming and consistent victories.
I really think you're missing the point. Not fast enough is not good enough when we're talking about climate change! Yes, we had to take drastic actions yesterday, and the best thing we can do is take drastic actions today. We're just kicking the can down the road, and I don't think there's any road left.
My entire point is that there are certain categories of things in which you do not have time to act, and you must do it quickly and firmly.
No I'm not missing the point. I want it to be done fast, I know that things take time. Saying "not fast enough" is not a valid complaint of Biden or of Dems because the reality of the world is that things take time. And the reality whether you like it or it not, climate change is not even a winning issue. People rank issues as 1 economy 2 inflation 3 in distant third place abortion.
But back to this topic, I really wonder what industry you work in that you think we can flip a switch and the world changes.
Think about this. Want to build a new metro line? Good idea right, it'll reduce car usage. From the day you say "here's money, go", it will take minimum 4 years, more likely minimum 6 years. For a single line. Then you have the other guy complaining "but there are still car sales". No fucking shit, it's not built yet. Things take time whether you like it or not.
So your solution then is just tough luck, deal with it, right? Try to mitigate it, but not enough, really. And just hope it doesn't get too bad too quickly, right?
Don't forget the blind support for the Democratic party. They haven't done much to fix things or even stall Republicans, but if we just reward them some more then they'll start acting in our best interests.
My solution is to vote. Give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories.
When you start putting out silly strawmans you show you're not having a good faith discussion. So I think I'm out.
The original comment was that Democrats are not responding to climate change appropriately.
All I'm saying is that since they're the only ones that we can trust, that they should probably take it more seriously.
Even with Democrats in all branches of government, with our current policies, our planet will be uninhabitable to large populations in warmer countries.
Let's not get it twisted here. If we don't make serious changes now, then we are going to have to suffer the consequences.
No the original comment was "How was Biden worse than expected?"
To which I responded "Some people think the entire world and everything in it can be changed on a dime. I have to constantly tell people things take time."
To which you tried to limit it to climate change.
God why am I bothering when you're making up what this was about.
Even with Democrats in all branches of government, with our current policies,
God why am I bothering. Dems have had control for 4 out of the last 24 years. They can't do what they want because they never have control. If you include Bill Clinton, then it's 6 years of the the last 32 years. Go back further and it's 6 out of the last 44 fucking years. Read that again, 6 out of the last 44 fucking years.
And that can still be filibustered. So if you want the filibuster proof majority, then Obama had it for 4 months. Not years, MONTHS. Dems had filibuster proof control for 4 MONTHS of the last 44 fucking years.
And you wonder why they can't do much? Give your head a shake.
I'm going to give you the history because you seriously need to learn this. Climate change not winning issue. In fact it's losing issue. People lose elections because of this. Again, I want it to be a winning issue, but I think it's a losing issue. Look at the history:
Carter said to turn down your thermostat and wear a sweater. And he was quickly punted from office.
Guess what, Bill Clinton learned that to win he couldn't touch it.
Then Gore said maybe it's time and ran on it. And then Gore lost.
Guess what, Obama learned that to win he couldn't touch it.
Then Hillary Clinton said maybe it's time and ran on it. And then Hillary lost.
Guess what, Biden learned that he couldn't run on that. Frankly it's amazing he's doing anything on it because it's
not a winningit's a losing issue. Doing what he did may very well cost him the presidency because Trump will tie it to inflation.And you wonder why current policies are what they are? Again, give your head a shake. It's incredible they're as progressive as they are. You want it to be even more progressive? Then give Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Who knows if it'll ever be a winning issue to run on, but if they at least win it can be something they can do on the side.
Let’s not get it twisted here. If we don’t make serious changes now, then we are going to have to suffer the consequences.
JFC why do I bother when you twist what I say, I already said I want things to happen, but I know things take time. Why the fuck do I bother when you act like this. Yeah I'm out, you'll just continue with this twisting. Looking back you've been doing it from the start.
You're literally saying that climate change is a losing issue. That doesn't sound like someone who cares about climate change. It sounds like you will sacrifice our planet for the sake of electoral odds.
As if it is something we can sacrifice. That's the problem, as you and all of the mainstream Democrats think exactly like that.
Republicans suck, but so do you on this topic. I can only hope that the Democrats can be better than you are.
For now, I'm just gonna block you. No point in wasting my time on someone so foolish.
That doesn’t sound like someone who cares about climate change. I
Ah strawman. Guess me saying that I WANT it three times doesn't get through huh. And WOW you go on attacking on that strawman. That's my thanks for explaining things to you huh. I was right, you twist what people say.