We can't even talk in this community dedicated to vegans without someone coming along and meatsplaining.

Why do people call it preaching?

It's baffling that "Hey maybe hamburgers aren't worth kilometers of cows chained with their face in a feed trough. Arranged this way so that the only activity they can engage in is to gorge themselves on low quality feed frequently filled with bits of other cows (backfeeding). Maybe they like have feelings and deserve better than this followed by a dehydrated wait in a death line in some artificially lit temple to screams and blood and horror?"

Is talked about in the same language as "Invisible sky person is deeply concerned about your masturbating habits and you are going to suffer for it!"

In my experience it is not NEARLY as prevalent as when someone learns that you are vegan or finds out about vegan communities and whatnot. People make countless memes about vegans for example, but when was the last time you saw a meme about someone choosing to eat Halal? Because to my knowledge there is no scientific study on the different experiences of these groups it is impossible to talk about this topic in any way that isn't anecdotal but for what it's worth I have been all over the US and the anecdotal experience that I have had is so overwhelming that I refuse to believe someone is arguing in good faith if they are claiming that, for example, someone eating Halal has even a remotely similar experience to that of vegans.

My guess is that this is because people tend to associate other dietary or lifestyle decisions as being just a different way to live. Like oh, that person is Muslim or Jewish and that influences their diet. And they don't take that as a personal judgement anymore than they do when they learn that that person is Muslim or Jewish to begin with. But with veganism it is usually not something that a person is raised into. It is a decision that that person has made after learning more about the animal agriculture industry and it is usually for ethical reasons primarily. Not because a religious book told them to. Therefore they hear that someone is vegan and are instantly defensive in a way that isn't true with halal, kosher, etc.

Honestly I've been so quiet about it offline, and one time I just said no thanks to cake as I don't eat dairy, etc, and the whole room alternately made fun of me and told me why I was wrong and meatsplaines until I got up and left.

I cannot speak for any other mod, being newly minted, but this is not a vegans only sub.

Respectful and contextually appropriate replies are welcome but replies specifically hostile or following standard, trivially disputed, rhetoric will be removed.

For example I would not remove a reply like "What is it that determines whether or not something or someone is ok to eat in your eyes?" but I would remove "don't you know grass screams when you cut it. You're just hypocritical!"

Basically if you're posting stuff to own the vegans, explain why vegans are wrong, or saying something against veganism that a trivial search or five minutes considering the opposite position would show as false or grossly distorted your comment will be removed.

EDIT:

Just to add on to what I said. I think most of us would actually love to be wrong, if someone had strong evidence. Going vegan isn't tremendously hard, but it is definitely harder than never thinking about food and eating/wearing/using whatever you feel like because the whim to do so takes you. Mostly it can be socially isolating, because regardless of how much empathy you might actually have for carnists (having been one yourself, there is no shame in having been indoctrinated) people will feel that you condemn them and consequently try to shame you. (there was some study about this but I'm struggling to remember the title).

If someone could show me evidence that idk dogs were mere reflex machines like Descartes maintained when he vivisected them I would chow down. It's not really a particularly comfortable position to feel like you're living in the middle of a holocaust and most of the people you love and respect are not only oblivious, but actively defend and relish it.

It's just incredibly tedious to deal with the same set of disingenuous excuses. Like the aforementioned plants feel pain thing, I have never in my life seen anyone actually protest something like mowing lawns. I have basically zero reason to believe that anyone who isn't a jain thinks this is true, and even then... what is it that animals eat and how does physics work?

I think "personal choice" comes off as slightly dismissive, as if it's below your effort to even discuss.

Personally, I just go with "for ethical reasons, plus, its good for the environment" and I've never had anyone chuck a tantrum.

Tourists without guides can end up in very strange situations.

If someone is going to browse all then they should be aware that they are entering different communities and be respectful of those communities. If they are disrespectful, whether it is a result of being unaware or just not caring, in my opinion that should warrant an immediate ban pending a demonstration of understanding and admission that what they did was wrong. Unfortunately even that might not make a noticeable difference since many of the disrespectful people are probably not repeat posters. Beyond that the only thing that I'm aware of that could really be done is making the community private which is obviously not ideal. Perhaps there could exist some middle ground of a community not being private but also not appearing on all but I'm unaware of if that's possible or if it would even be any better in practice.

which means it often comes along with judgemental opinions about carnists

I would disagree with this portion of your post if it said most or all vegans. I have found most vegans are making a personal decision without passing judgement on others.

Even so, there absolutely are militant vegans who want to shame others, and those vocal minority give the rest a bad name.

Source: Spouse is vegan. I am supportive, slowly changing my diet. Blood tests show really positive results. I still don't understand honey.

It is wrong though. Like you clearly care but what, it's ok to do a little evil as a treat? why?

Gotta ask, if you support vegans/veganism I assume that means you take it as at least more right than wrong. Is that the case? if so what's holding you back from joining our feeble, protein deficient ranks?

I just ask because personally I spent a few years being like "Yeah these people are correct and don't deserve the hate but oysters? Is that really a priority concern?" before realising that was a baffling stance and I should align my actions with the 99% I agreed with and worry about the rest later if it ever came up.

I believe in you. It seems way harder than it really is. If you have questions or want recipes or tips or whatever there are armies of us dying to help others live in alignment with their values.

Also like selfishly I found I felt waaaaay better after going vegan. Probs more a side effect of just more whole foods but damned did I feel notably more energic and clear headed.

Have you seen the what does halal mean? youtube short by therealsamalkhatib? It's a cute little sketch and whenever I make/eat falafel now it's become a bit of a meme.

What you're referring to are legal classifications that prevent discrimination in very specific circumstances such as when applying for a job. When someone decides to make fun of vegans they absolutely DO NOT think to themselves "is that a legally protected class? No? Okay, I'm in the clear." This reasoning is blatantly incorrect.

If this were the actual reason then why do people also discriminate against groups that are protected classes like women? The answer is because we aren't in a court. We are talking about social values, not legal ones. Despite how much of a fucking asshole it would make someone to be misogynistic in their daily life there is nothing preventing them from doing so other than the fear of being outcast by their peers. It only becomes illegal in very specific circumstances.

It's protected in the UK

It protects all religions and a wide range of philosophical beliefs including atheism, humanism, agnosticism, veganism and pacifism.

Edit: Found it

https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/mr-j-casamitjana-costa-v-the-league-against-cruel-sports-3331129-2018

I'm vegan and i make fun of everyone who only eats food touched by a magician. I don't even understand how they compare. One is a choice the other ones got indoctrinated by people who vut their dicks for fun.

No class is protected from comedy.

Pictures of text should have accompanying alt text. I'll see if we can add that as a rule

It is akin to relgion in the sense that it is a moral question for the person and not a health concern.

Not sure why people get so touchy when religion is brought up.

Vegans do have the moral high ground simply by not murdering animals for food.

Furries could know better.

Social settings exist outside of social media platforms

They aren't crying about or anything, just saying it doesn't make sense. I'd be pretty annoyed if people felt the need to joke about my food preference all the time, too